More than 30 counts!

[Rideback]

34 counts verified. Trump won't be handcuffed nor will he be submitted to a mugshot

https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-trump- ... xdW-whNWLi

[PAL]

It's Indictment Day! Will it become a national holiday, you think?

[Rideback]

Like I have said, repeatedly, I'm disappointed and angry about the Willow approval. But understanding how the timing plays out and the role of the private sector now taking CP to court, added in also that CP can only begin the infrastructure during the winter months - April is too warm so they've lost this season - delay is the operative word here. The lawsuits are not frivalous, Biden understands better than most how delay will kill this project. And look at the other projects he has already put a halt to in the Arctic. BIden found a complicated solution and now it will be on the shoulders of the environmentalists to pull this off.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/b ... -in-alaska

Back to Trump now.

His lawyers are planning on fighting the predicted gag order on the basis of freedom of speech. Since Truth Social is on the edge of collapsing that's probably a worthwhile if not weak avenue.

[Rideback]

Drinks for Tuesday?

https://www.liquor.com/recipes/dark-n-s ... ViP8x1G-jM

[Fun CH]

Now you're just making things up. Who's the guy with the dirty needle? What is the 2nd cartoon about with putting people in camps that are unvax'd? ps I googled a fact check, says your unvax'd in internment camps rates a 'Pants on Fire' https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... around-wo/


By exaggerating you're re writing history.

You may not like Biden's move on the Arctic, I don't either. But he has effectively stopped the Willow project. And he did it in a way that demonstrates a whole lot of political savvy.

Cartoons often portray extreme caricatures of the issue. Both the right a,d left do it and that is what I'm calling out. But, generally there is some truth to that caricature.

The dull needle thing was something David posted on Methownet during the pandamic and I quoted him here. At the time, and he still does this, he was citing governmental actions taken to force vacinnes or lock up people up for (Covid like was done with)* more serious diseases like tuberculosis,which I believe it has a 30% mortality rate. That sediment was echoed by a minority on the extreme left as they desired to force Medical Treatments on others.

I sided with people's right to bodily autonomy.

Last I checked the fact is that the Biden Administration approved the willow project contrary to his campaign promise. You seem to be counting the courts to end it, but good luck with that, the Supreme Court being what it is, if it even makes it that far.

Can you cite the facts where the Biden Administration has confirmed your story on how the Willow project is now a non starter?



https://www.greenmatters.com/news/did-t ... t-canceled

"Climate Groups Blast Biden for Approving Willow Project: It "Derails His Own Climate Goals"

"Is the Willow Project canceled?
Unfortunately, no: Efforts to cancel the Willow Project were unsuccessful.

On Monday, March 13, the Biden administration formally granted the permits the Willow Project needed to go forward, as documented by the Bureau of Land Management's National NEPA Register."

As far as the Trump thing goes why don't we wait to see what the indictment states, ie get the facts, before holding a trial here in the court of the Pasayten king.

*edited for clarity

[Rideback]

Now you're just making things up. Who's the guy with the dirty needle? What is the 2nd cartoon about with putting people in camps that are unvax'd? ps I googled a fact check, says your unvax'd in internment camps rates a 'Pants on Fire' https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... around-wo/


By exaggerating you're re writing history.

You may not like Biden's move on the Arctic, I don't either. But he has effectively stopped the Willow project. And he did it in a way that demonstrates a whole lot of political savvy.

Back to Trump and the purpose of this thread. He has lied to his wife, lied to his attorneys, lied to his voters, lied to the Country and broken more laws of this Country than any previous President. I'm no historian and would be happy to hear someone correct me, but the 2x indicted guy is a machine at churning out corruption.

If anyone is following the Proud Boys' Sedition trial the Defense put up witnesses these last 2 weeks,all of which have crumbled on the stand when presented with FB posts, text messages and records that disprove any kind of defense hoped for. It's been a disaster for them.

[Fun CH]

So unpack this for me. Tomorrow the Dems stop what you call 'name calling'
Then what? Do you anticipate that lies will stop and Rep's will stop their name calling?

On the Willow Project. It's all about context. Connoco Phillips has had the leases for decades. Now with the Biden Admin lifting the closure it's not in the cards for CP to leap forward with drilling tomorrow. They can't. The #1 reason that Biden knew all to well was that the private groups would jump on this move and file injunctions. They did that within hours. The project will be on hold for years if not decades. Meanwhile, the electrification and alternate fuels are making progress by leaps and bounds that look within 5 years to produce up to 50% of energy.

The US does not need the Arctic oil, we have plenty. Delay is sometimes a way of keeping a promise, particularly in politics. Meanwhile, Biden's move on its face was something the Native Americans of Alaska had supported as well as many Alaskans. So in the short term he made political friends in a Red state.

Meanwhile, the move that Biden made to protect should make you satisfied: https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/13/politics ... %20leasing.

Biden promised no drilling in the Artic.period. He lied. Sorry you can't see that, but nice story you created (or repeated)to defend his lie.

And no I don't anticipate the extreme minority members of either party will stop derogatory name calling. People like you and Mr. Round Them Up and Inject Them With A Dull Needle will defend that poor behavior,use it, justify it and continue with lies to support your adgenda. And the cycle will continue.

People such as moral psychologist Jonathan Haidt will continue to plant the seeds of positive change based upon intellect and research and perhaps the hate will subside.

My hope rests with todays youth who will hopefully see though the BS and folly of our generation.

[PAL]

Now that is heavy.

[mister_coffee]

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."

-- Edmund Burke (“Thoughts on the Cause of the Present Discontents”, 1770)

[PAL]

OK now, are will still in the Age of Aquarius? The ideal. I know, it's hippie dippie, but geez, can't we try this? Trump did start with the name calling, by the way or he brought it into the political arena, front and center. He is just crass, that's all there is to it. And right, Dems or people don't need to go down that road. But it can't be helped that he has brought all these nicknames onto himself. And guess what, he doesn't care!

When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars
This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius

Harmony and understanding
Sympathy and trust abounding
No more falsehoods or derisions
Golden living dreams of visions
Mystic crystal revelation
And the mind's true liberation

[pasayten]

This is what we have to cooperate with...

[Rideback]

So unpack this for me. Tomorrow the Dems stop what you call 'name calling'
Then what? Do you anticipate that lies will stop and Rep's will stop their name calling?

On the Willow Project. It's all about context. Connoco Phillips has had the leases for decades. Now with the Biden Admin lifting the closure it's not in the cards for CP to leap forward with drilling tomorrow. They can't. The #1 reason that Biden knew all to well was that the private groups would jump on this move and file injunctions. They did that within hours. The project will be on hold for years if not decades. Meanwhile, the electrification and alternate fuels are making progress by leaps and bounds that look within 5 years to produce up to 50% of energy.

The US does not need the Arctic oil, we have plenty. Delay is sometimes a way of keeping a promise, particularly in politics. Meanwhile, Biden's move on its face was something the Native Americans of Alaska had supported as well as many Alaskans. So in the short term he made political friends in a Red state.

Meanwhile, the move that Biden made to protect should make you satisfied: https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/13/politics ... %20leasing.

[PAL]

And here is another great link that helps us, I believe Dems and the "old" Republican party deal with Trump. This is good.

https://righteousmind.com/how-the-democ ... nst-trump/

As far as paying off a porn star, there are more counts to come. As we know the docs are sealed until Trump is arrested. I say again, they got the Mafia bosses on bad business deaings and tax evasion. They had to start somewhere.
There may be more harm from Biden's actions as far as drilling when comparing against Stormy(bless her heart). But the overall of what Trump did to incite the insurrection and the numerous acts Rideback lists, IMO, are more harmful.
So here, we are comparing and discussing, not dividing. In order to compare we do have to point out what each side has done. Maybe the next step is to point out the "good" Trump has done. But you can tell, I don't think he did us any good. He is the divider.

[Fun CH]

This requires some introspective thinking.

yes it does. Namaste.

[Fun CH]

I have no doubt that most people will agree on many many things in life as well as appreciate the community they live in.

The problem arrises when people are swayed by lies and thus believe that Hillary Clinton eats babies. Extreme? Well, look at the lies that led to J6, look at the BigSteal that Trump and Bannon promoted, look at the use of Ivermectin. The bigger the lies the more money the proponents make.

When did Biden followers tell America that Trump eats babies? When did Biden say he believes Putin over our own Intel Community? When did Biden say Covid would disappear when the weather warmed up? People died because of the lies told by Trump during the pandemic. There is no comparison here.

There's no both sides do it. The lies are dangerous that Trump tells which is why Fox & Trump will be facing accountability in our court system. In order to prove the lies, to stop them from being spread the truth has to be resourced and that's a process that is has to be spoken of, it cannot be swept under the rug by people saying silent. Lies count.

https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/an ... al-125877/

you're doing your the "left is more right" tribal thing again. As Jonathan Haidt points out, empathy is the cure for the Righteous Mind.

I voted for Biden because he said no Artic Drilling. He lied pure and simple. He would have known the issue with that historical lease prior to making his campaign promise of no drilling period.

How much more CO2 will be added to the atmosphere when that Artic fossil fuel is consumed?

How many lives will be lost and how much irreversible damage to a pristine environment will that decision cause?

How will that decision delay effective action to curb climate change?

Now tell how many lives were lost because Trump paid off a porn star?

Which of the two actions has more significant consequences?

[PAL]

Hey, I just realized Jonathan Haidt is the author of the book I mentioned earlier. "The Coddling of the American Mind." Here is a link on the Righteous Mind.
https://righteousmind.com/
And another: https://behavioralscientist.org/whats-w ... ogy-right/

It might be a good idea to compare the Coddling with the Righteous Mind and see what he really means. Of course cooperative behavior in our community is something to work on. However, I ask myself, could I cooperate with someone like Trump? Like the Boeberts, Taylor Greens, Jordon. I know I do cooperate with people that are supporters of Trump. But we don't go there. We work on the task at hand.
A lot of what we all are saying are also just our opinions.
Can you disagree with someone and not be divided? I think we find it hard to do, especially if it is politics and religion.
Haidt also took alot of flack for writing "The Coddling". But it is a fantastic read. Library has it.
I do think this divisiveness pains us all. I am pained when I hear Trump say things about this country and about people that are not true. I am pained when I hear the above mentioned others and any others speak in outright mean terms and lies. So to these people, I am supposed to summon some kind of compassion? Well, I can say, they know not. Then according to teachings, I should forgive them. As the saying goes, "to err is human, to forgive divine. This requires some introspective thinking.

[Rideback]

I have no doubt that most people will agree on many many things in life as well as appreciate the community they live in.

The problem arrises when people are swayed by lies and thus believe that Hillary Clinton eats babies. Extreme? Well, look at the lies that led to J6, look at the BigSteal that Trump and Bannon promoted, look at the use of Ivermectin. The bigger the lies the more money the proponents make.

When did Biden followers tell America that Trump eats babies? When did Biden say he believes Putin over our own Intel Community? When did Biden say Covid would disappear when the weather warmed up? People died because of the lies told by Trump during the pandemic. There is no comparison here.

There's no both sides do it. The lies are dangerous that Trump tells which is why Fox & Trump will be facing accountability in our court system. In order to prove the lies, to stop them from being spread the truth has to be resourced and that's a process that is has to be spoken of, it cannot be swept under the rug by people saying silent. Lies count.

https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/an ... al-125877/

[Fun CH]

And you know what, it's ok to say Trump is a liar and call him a liar. Well, of course there are "good people" on both sides.

I think it has been proven that both Trump and Biden tell lies for political power and money. So yea, its OK to state facts.

It becomes divisive when the "good people" on the left use derogatory language to describe the Trump supporter who recently saved their house from burning down, and vice versa.

If you truly want to understand what I'm taking about concerning how we all benefit from coperative behavior in our community I would suggest that you read "The Righteous Mind" by Jonathan Haidt. He's a lefty who took a lot of flack from the left for writing that book.

"If you think that moral reasoning is something we do to figure out the truth, you’ll be constantly frustrated by how foolish, biased, and illogical people become when they disagree with you."

"If you really want to change someone’s mind on a moral or political matter, you’ll need to see things from that person’s angle as well as your own. And if you do truly see it the other person’s way—deeply and intuitively—you might even find your own mind opening in response. Empathy is an antidote to righteousness, although it’s very difficult to empathize across a moral divide"
Jonathan Haidt, The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion

[PAL]

And you know what, it's ok to say Trump is a liar and call him a liar. Well, of course there are "good people" on both sides.

[Rideback]

DA Bragg pushes back against the Trump Republicans.

At a time where violence is not just in the air but being brandished by the likes of Boebert, MTG, Graham they are guaranteeing there will be mayhem. And all to protect the liar and his lies. This is exactly the example of why liars must be held accountable when they break the law.

https://crooksandliars.com/2023/03/manh ... nds-letter

[pasayten]

I am embarrassed of the current Republican Party... Good grief, what has happened to them???

[just-jim]

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What in the hell is the matter with these goons? Do they really not understand ‘the rule of law’?
Lindsay Graham, especially, should be ashamed. I thought he had a little more class than that.
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It has been pointed out - repeatedly- that financial crimes like this are not new when applied to public office holders.
Many Mayors and Governors have run afoul of similar crimes and paid the price of arrest and possible conviction.
Prime example: 4 of the last 10 Governors of Illinois have faced indictments or charges of financial crime.
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[Rideback]

Reports that he spent last night on the phone with Jim Jordan and Coney as the heads of committees that have committed to protecting Trump. One can only hope that there are tapes...

[just-jim]

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The DA’ office in NY issued a 6 page letter to representative Jim Jordan and others re: arrest of fatso. Powerful!
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https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000187 ... f7d0920000
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The letter is in response to several committees request for the DA to answer questions.
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Last 2 paragraphs:

“Finally, as you are no doubt aware, former President Trump has directed harsh invective against District Attorney Bragg and threatened on social media that his arrest or indictment in New York may unleash “death & destruction.” As Committee Chairmen, you could use the stature of your office to denounce these attacks and urge respect for the fairness of our justice system and for the work of the impartial grand jury. Instead, you and many of your colleagues have chosen to collaborate with Mr. Trump’s efforts to vilify and denigrate the integrity of elected state prosecutors and trial judges and made unfounded allegations that the Office’s investigation, conducted via an independent grand jury of average citizens serving New York State, is politically motivated. See, e.g., Annie Grayer et al., Inside the backchannel communications keeping Donald Trump in the loop on Republican investigations, CNN.com (March 28, 2023), https://tinyurl.com/mr3n675p (“House GOP Conference Chair Elise Stefanik . . . and Trump spoke several times last week alone, where she walked him through the GOP’s plans for an aggressive response to Bragg.”). We urge you to refrain from these inflammatory accusations, withdraw your demand for information, and let the criminal justice process proceed without unlawful political interference.

If you will not withdraw your request, we reiterate our willingness to meet and confer with you or your staff about how we can accommodate your request without violating our obligations as prosecutors to protect the integrity of an ongoing criminal prosecution. We respectfully request that you provide us with a list of questions you wish to ask District Attorney Bragg and to describe the type of documents you think we could produce that would be relevant to your inquiry without violating New York grand jury secrecy rules or interfering with the criminal case now before a court. We trust you will make a good-faith effort to reach a negotiated resolution before taking the unprecedented and unconstitutional step of serving a subpoena on a district attorney for information related to an ongoing state criminal prosecution.”

[Rideback]

Good explainer

https://www.justsecurity.org/85581/the- ... 7oyJX-xBCM