Fox's Tucker C begins his selective release of J6

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Your 'whataboutisms' fails. Fox wrote this script and they have no one to blame but their own overriding greed.
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If only we could get the same for all the thousands of protesters and obstructionists who raged all 2020 doing the same thing at police stations, federal buildings and even took over entire city blocks I might think we have any semblance of equal justice under the law.
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As you can read from the posts I put up, the 2nd defense attorney the Shaman had as well as the first attorney had access to almost all of the footage. Of course the Shaman is not in all 41,000 hours, nor do I suspect that his attorney would have been paid to go through all of those hours. Kind of a spendy defense. Instead, he had access to the clips where he was present. He has pleaded guilty to obstruction of a govt proceeding which is a felony and carries a maximum of 30 years. He wasn't given that long a sentence and was also given credit for time served. Here's the DoJ press release.

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Because the government illegally prevented a honest defense! Government holding people to indefinite solitary confinement and refusing to allow exculpatory evidence is wrong on a ton of levels. I can’t believe how you will trade foundational bedrock principles and law simply to win politically and get your perceived boogeyman.
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dorankj wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:21 am What exactly was Jacob chansley’s crimes that day? Walking through open doors and around the capital escorted by police, carrying a flag and making prayers. Just like the gun debate you just don’t like how he looked! The video shows no assault by Jacob, no destruction and by being escorted around by police (who he thanked and prayed for) he likely had the impression that he wasn’t doing more than a misdemeanor. You seem desperate and hysterical to maintain a narrative that just doesn’t fit so many that day and justice isn’t about furthering your hatred of DT.
“you don’t like how he looked” must refer to some theoretical person?

I saw him breach a police line and enter a building through a kicked in window. You approve of Breaking and Entering?
If he was only expecting a misdemeanor, why did he plead to something else?

In any case, thanks for affirming my analysis of your rather illogical position.
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What exactly was Jacob chansley’s crimes that day? Walking through open doors and around the capital escorted by police, carrying a flag and making prayers. Just like the gun debate you just don’t like how he looked! The video shows no assault by Jacob, no destruction and by being escorted around by police (who he thanked and prayed for) he likely had the impression that he wasn’t doing more than a misdemeanor. You seem desperate and hysterical to maintain a narrative that just doesn’t fit so many that day and justice isn’t about furthering your hatred of DT.
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dorankj wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:39 am You mean holding exculpatory information and videos from defense attorneys…..
That’s almost clever of you Ken….I didn’t think you had it in you.
So a convicted insurrectionist - who may or may not have had a decent attorney - CLAIMS that he never got to ‘see’ the video used against him? (let’s forget that such a thing is not only improbable, and that such a defense would have been available from any number of sources, TV and otherwise). AND, that such video MIGHT have exonerated him - In other words, negated or excused all the clearly visible crimes that DID happen? AND THEREFORE Jan 6 never happened, it was all peaceful, nothing wrong transpired and it was them pesky liberals that cooked this whole thing up?
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Am I close?
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By your reasoning; since we KNOW, without a doubt, that carlson is manufacturing ‘evidence’ and telling lies – therefore everyone else is also.
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That is pathetic. Besides being the most intellectually dishonest line of reasoning that I have encountered in quite some time.
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So you know more than his actual lawyer? Your wonders never cease Rideback!
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The Shaman's defense unpacked

https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/03/08/t ... nt-review/
and why Tucker Carlson misses again
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The 'shaman' was never accused of violence.
From PBS:

Jacob Chansley, the spear-carrying Jan. 6 rioter whose horned fur hat, bare chest and face paint made him one of the more recognizable figures in the assault on the Capitol, was sentenced Wednesday to 41 months in prison.

Chansley, who pleaded guilty to a felony charge of obstructing an official proceeding, was among the first rioters to enter the building. He has acknowledged using a bullhorn to rile up the mob, offering thanks in a prayer while in the Senate for having the chance to get rid of traitors and scratching out a threatening note to Vice President Mike Pence saying, “It’s Only A Matter of Time. Justice Is Coming!”

Though he isn’t accused of violence, prosecutors say Chansley, of Arizona, was the “public face of the Capitol riot” who went into the attack with a weapon, ignored repeated police orders to leave the building and gloated about his actions in the days immediately after the attack.

WATCH: Their loved ones are ‘obsessed’ with QAnon conspiracies. It’s tearing their families apart

Before he was sentenced, Chansley told U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth it was wrong for him to enter the Capitol and that he accepts responsibility for his actions. He emphasized he wasn’t an insurrectionist and is troubled with the way he was portrayed in news stories in the aftermath of the riot.

“I have no excuse,” Chansley said. “No excuses whatsoever. My behavior is indefensible.”

The judge said Chansley’s remorse appeared to be genuine but noted the seriousness of his actions in the Capitol. “What you did was terrible,” Lamberth said. “You made yourself the center of the riot.”

The image of Chansley holding a flagpole topped with a spear tip and looking as if he were howling was one of the most striking to emerge from the riot.

He previously called himself the “QAnon Shaman” but has since repudiated the QAnon movement, which is centered on the baseless belief that former President Donald Trump was fighting a cabal of Satan-worshipping, child sex trafficking cannibals.

He is among 650 people charged in the riot that forced lawmakers into hiding as they were meeting to certify President Joe Biden’s Electoral College victory. More than 120 defendants have pleaded guilty, mostly to misdemeanor charges of demonstrating in the Capitol that carry a maximum of six months in prison.

Chansley and Scott Fairlamb, a New Jersey gym owner sentenced last week for punching a police officer during the attack, have received the longest prison sentences out of the 38 Capitol riot defendants who been punished so far.

Chansley, who has been in jail for 10 months, sought to be sentenced to time served. His lawyer, Albert Watkins, said his client has suffered longstanding mental health problems that were worsened by being jailed in solitary confinement due to COVID-19 protocols and is in dire need of mental health treatment.

In the year before the Capitol riot, Chansley appeared in costume at pro-Trump events, protests over face mask requirements and at a gathering of Trump supporters in November 2020 outside an election office in downtown Phoenix where votes from the presidential race were being counted.

His attorney has said Chansley was “horrendously smitten” by Trump and believed like other rioters that Trump had called him to the Capitol, but later felt betrayed after Trump refused to grant him and others who participated in the insurrection a pardon.

Watkins has said Chansley had been under pressure from family members not to plead guilty because they believed Trump would be reinstated as president and pardon him.

After spending his first month in jail, Chansley said he re-evaluated his life, felt regret for having stormed the building and apologized for causing fear in others.

He twice quit eating while in jail and lost 20 pounds (9 kilograms) until he was given organic food.

The judge had previously rejected Chansley’s claims that the six-foot flagpole he carried during he riot wasn’t a weapon and that the metal spear tip was an ornament, saying the sharpened six-inch point could have been used to stab people from a distance.
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Well, if you actually watch TC instead of just trashing mindlessly you would have seen the lawyer for the so-called Q-anon shawman state he never was allowed to see the video and so could only advise to take the plea even though no violence was committed by the navy veteran who has a diagnosed mental disability. So do you support government trashing judicial and constitutional rights just so a narrative can be maintained? What if the evil republicans use that power against you?
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Ken, tell me what the exculpatory evidence would look like of the guy tasing the officers, and what would the evidence be that disproves the guys breaking into offices showing their feet up on the desk from their own phone cameras that was then posted to their own social media? Tell me what the exculpatory evidence could be of the guys not breaking down windows and doors? What excuse do you have for the mob chasing the officer up the stairs as he tried to lead them away from Pence and his family? These goons brought weapons to the Capitol and stored more in a hotel room for 'quick access' (their term).

There is no such thing as a valid excuse for what happened. If there had been anything close, the various defendants would have brought those to the courtroom, after all, THEY WERE THERE. Instead, these guys have either pleaded guilty or been found guilty by juries of their peers.
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Someone is really drinking the Kool Aid here. And going back for seconds even.
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You mean holding exculpatory information and videos from defense attorneys so the only outcome is a plea deal? (Which you then say proves guilt)

I don’t recall agreeing that government will hold all information and tell us what narratives are acceptable, isn’t that EXACTLY what Animal Farm and 1984 were warning?
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Apparently the dozens of insurrecctionists who have not only testified to the guilt of their actions but have pleaded guilty and are serving sentences behind bars is also a scam to you? The court cases have been eye popping as the testimony laid out the planning, the weapons, the conspiracies, the lies, all in the words both spoken and written down of these guys. They bragged on their own social media pages, they bragged to each other about every detail. That bragging gave the FBI and police the largest trove of proof ever revealed in a crime. Tucker can cherry pick all he wants but I'll let Mitch McConnell speak for me when he called Tucker's release of docs 'BULL sh**'. Over 14,000 of the hours Tucker got have already been in the hands of the J6 Defense attorneys for 2 years. As the head of the Capitol Police said when he railed against Tucker's cherry picking release, Tucker has not consulted with policing authorities prior to releases so as to protect the location of security cameras, offices and methods that were used to protect the members. Instead, TC is releasing road maps to domestic and foreign terrorists for their next attack.
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I take it this is part of your therapy plan, keep working through the stages. You can do this!
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Ken, congratulations - you have fallen for it all.
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“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” George Orwell, 1984 (pub. 1949)
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We already had that Jim, it was the highly edited, hugely selective and completely misleading J-6 clown show! I think your real outrage is that the falsehoods and lies can’t be maintained with obvious video we can all see for ourselves. I thought ‘Democracy dies in darkness’ or something?
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Good quote Mr Coffee!

The boomerang effect is warming up against Tucker. Mitch McConnell calls foul.

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Nazi theory, indeed, specifically denies that such a thing as "the truth" exists. There is, for instance, no such thing as "Science". There is only "German Science", "Jewish Science", etc. The implied objective of this line of thought is a nightmare world in which the Leader, or some ruling clique, controls not only the future, but the past. If the Leader says of such and such an event, "It never happened"—well, it never happened. If he says that "two and two are five"—well, two and two are five. This prospect frightens me much more than bombs—and, after our experiences of the last few years [the Blitz, 1940–41] that is not a frivolous statement.[22]
George Orwell, "Looking Back on the Spanish War" (1943)
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In context with the Dominion suits...this won't mount any defense in the courts.
Sorting it out is problematic and all I can think is that once again it's an effort to hold onto Trump's base. Of course Trump himself is now trashing Fox, but from a $ standpoint there's still a whole lot of financial reasons to take this tact. After all, with $1.6 billion already on the edge of changing hands Fox has to grab at any income they can!

But unpacking the repercussions in light of the civil suits now being greenlighted this would seem like another can of libility worms that TC is bringing to the table. These are not consequential thinkers.
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Best tweets I saw: “Newly released footage PROVES that in 1941 the Nazis were simply tourists in Paris!” And “Calling the violent insurrection mostly “peaceful chaos” is like calling the Pearl Harbor attack a slightly unruly flyover”
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Except, it’s not really very funny.
fox is asking millions of people to NOT believe what they each saw with their own eyes….and instead believe this crazy sanitized version that carlson has concocted. It’s a remarkable bit of attempted propaganda. I think most intelligent people will see thru this and ultimately, this may really blow up on the nutso wing of the republican party
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and it's hillareous! The tweets are just classic

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