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Bill Barr just set the record straight with Fox about the Mar a Lago search

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bill-barr ... w?ref=home
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Rideback wrote: Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:54 am 43 empty Classified folders found in search. So where are the docs?

https://politicalwire.com/2022/09/02/tr ... tg=1259410
Curioser and curioser ...

So this brings up an ugly question: assuming that the Orange Idiot was selling those documents to somebody who doesn't like us very much, and he is now obviously burnt as a source of further documents, how long before they try to get rid of him? He's obviously bad at keeping his mouth shut and will equally obviously give up whomever he sold them to in order to save his own personal hide.

Assuming that he sold the documents to someone who doesn't like America very much, it also seems obvious to me that having the Dingbat of Mar-A-Lago turn up with a serious case of Dead would also be pretty likely to produce a lot of chaos here. So in that sense it kills two birds with one stone.

So I hope that the Secret Service is extra careful with that guy for the time being. It also probably argues that he should be held in the Supermax rather than a country-club prison if it comes to that.
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Ex AG Barr goes on Fox and calls BS on Trump's claims

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43 empty Classified folders found in search. So where are the docs?

https://politicalwire.com/2022/09/02/tr ... tg=1259410
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Read elsewhere…

In the ultimate irony…..both Edward Snowden and Julian Assange are facing extradition and/or trial in the US, on charges related to the taking of, and possessing classified and National Security documents; the same charge that guilty little donnie appears to be facing.
Previously, even before those two have even been tried, El Cheeto has called for them to be “executed”.
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This morning, former president Trump told a Newsmax host that he was “financially supporting” some of the rioters who attacked the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021, in an attempt to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. Calling it “disgraceful” that they are being prosecuted, he said that If reelected, he would look “very favorably at full pardons” for them and would apologize to them.

At a time when his supporters are increasingly calling for violence after the FBI executed a search warrant on the Trump Organization’s Mar-a-Lago property in order to recover classified documents, Trump is normalizing violence and suggesting that if he regains the presidency, he will protect those who fight on his behalf.

Today the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol wrote to former House speaker Newt Gingrich, asking him to appear before the committee voluntarily. Historians identify Gingrich’s rhetorical attacks on Democrats and on those Republicans he considered too moderate—Republicans in Name Only, or RINOs—as key to bleeding traditional Republicans out of party leadership in the 1990s.

The letter explained that the committee has learned that Gingrich was part of the effort to overturn the 2020 election. He apparently exchanged emails with Trump’s advisors, including Jason Miller and Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner, in which Gingrich provided “detailed input” on the scripting of television ads that deliberately pushed lies that the 2020 election was stolen. The ads encouraged people to pressure state officials to overturn the election.

Gingrich wrote: “The goal is to arouse the country’s anger through new verifiable information the American people have never seen before[.]... If we inform the American people in a way they find convincing and it arouses their anger[,] they will then bring pressure on legislators and governors.”

Gingrich was also apparently involved in the scheme to produce fake electors and did not let up even after the attack on the Capitol. That night, he emailed Trump’s chief of staff, Mark Meadows, to pursue the plan.

Today, Emma Brown of the Washington Post reported that Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas’s wife, Ginni Thomas, wrote not only to 29 lawmakers in Arizona to press them to overturn President Joe Biden’s victory by appointing their own electors rather than the ones the voters had chosen, but also to lawmakers in Wisconsin.

In Arizona, Jerod MacDonald-Evoy of the Arizona Mirror reported that Republican Senate candidate Blake Masters has hired two fake electors as part of his staff. Before the primary, Masters’s website read: “We need to get serious about election integrity. The 2020 election was a rotten mess—if we had had a free and fair election, President Trump would be sitting in the Oval Office today and America would be so much better off,” although he has since scrubbed it to read simply: “We need to get serious about election integrity.” Trump endorsed Masters.

Today the White House Twitter account reminded people that 147 congressional Republicans voted to challenge the results of the 2020 election even after the January 6 riot, retweeting the 2021 New York Times article listing them by name.

And yet there has been concern on Twitter tonight that President Joe Biden’s 24-minute prime-time speech on “The Continued Battle for the Soul of the Nation” was unfairly partisan.

Biden spoke from Philadelphia's Independence National Historical Park, which includes Independence Hall, where lawmakers created the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.

There, the nation’s early leaders created a country based on equality and democracy, Biden said, and those principles made the United States “the greatest nation on Earth.” Now those principles are under assault, and “we do ourselves no favor to pretend otherwise.”

Biden offered a passionate defense of democracy, recalling Americans to their heritage: a fight for liberty that has preserved the nation through wars, depressions, and struggles to expand civil rights. That mission still drives us, he said, toward “an America that is more prosperous, free, and just.”

But “we must be honest with each other and with ourselves.”

Things are not normal, he said. And then he called out the elephant in the room: “Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic.”

As he has done in similar comments lately, Biden isolated the extremist MAGA Republicans from the rest of the country, while including mainstream Republicans in the larger body of Americans who still believe in democracy. But he acknowledged the truth that “the Republican Party today is dominated, driven, and intimidated by Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans, and that is a threat to this country.”

They “do not respect the Constitution. They do not believe in the rule of law. They do not recognize the will of the people. They refuse to accept the results of a free election. And they’re working right now, as I speak, in state after state to give power to decide elections in America to partisans and cronies, empowering election deniers to undermine democracy itself.”

They “are determined to take this country backwards—backwards to an America where there is no right to choose, no right to privacy, no right to contraception, no right to marry who you love. They promote authoritarian leaders, and they fan the flames of political violence that are a threat to our personal rights, to the pursuit of justice, to the rule of law, to the very soul of this country.”

We are not powerless to combat these threats, Biden said. Far more Americans reject the extremism of MAGA Republicans than embrace it. He called for all Americans—”Democrats, independents, mainstream Republicans”—to reject government by violence, and instead work together to defend democracy and build a better future, one based in the Constitution, the rule of law, free and fair elections, the will of the people, honesty, decency, respect, patriotism, liberty, justice, hope, and possibility.

Biden listed the accomplishments of the past year and a half and echoed the line he has used since he ran for president: “There is not a single thing America cannot do—not a single thing beyond our capacity if we do it together.”

“The soul of America is defined by the sacred proposition that all are created equal in the image of God. That all are entitled to be treated with decency, dignity, and respect. That all deserve justice and a shot at lives of prosperity and consequence. And that democracy…must be defended, for democracy makes all these things possible. Folks, and it’s up to us.”

Our democracy is imperfect, Biden said, but “history and common sense tell us that opportunity, liberty, and justice for all are most likely to come to pass in a democracy.” “Our task,” he said, “is to make our nation free and fair, just and strong, noble and whole.”

“We just need to remember who we are. We are the United States of America.”
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Indeed Wed's filing by team Trump barely met the standards of a legal doc and ignored any of the substantive arguments and facts that the DoJ team gave. Instead, it followed the old political strategy of answer the questions you want asked so you can frame the argument. That may work on Fox and Truth Social but in a court of law where the truth is upheld (not to mention Trump himself countering within hours the arguments and statements made).

You know your team is in over their heads when their argument is based on the wishful logic that of course Trump took the docs, he liked the memories.
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I think the problem here is that Trump and his people seem to think this is a public relations problem and not a criminal justice problem. There just doesn't seem any concept that what was done here was against the law, in fact multiple laws. From their standpoint it just kind of looks bad and they are trying to deflect.

Not agreeing or disagreeing or saying they are right or wrong -- that just seems to be how they see it.
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From Heather Cox Richardson’s column, tonight:

….first a quote from cheeto: “There seems to be confusion as to the ‘picture’ where documents were sloppily thrown on the floor and then released photographically for the world to see, as if that’s what the FBI found when they broke into my home. Wrong! They took them out of cartons and spread them around on the carpet….”

Then, further from HCR;

“Lawyers point out that this is an admission that he had the documents and knew it. His lawyer Alina Habba then went onto the Fox News Channel to complain about the photo and said, “I’m somebody who has been in his office…. I do have firsthand knowledge…. I have never, ever, seen that…. That is not the way his office looks…. He has guests frequently there.”

His office had classified information in it, and his lawyer just said he entertains guests there. This is an intelligence nightmare.”


Literally, you cant make this stuff up…..El lardo just keeps blundering around shooting himself in the foot!
And he hires idiot attorneys - who ALSO don’t know when to shut up.


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It was a special election House seat to replace Don Young, but an absolutely blockbuster C-Change for Alaska politics. And then there was the race in NY that the Dem won last week that was supposed to be a shoe in for the Rep. More and more Rep candidates are wiping their websites of Trump endorsements and his stolen election claims.
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A native Yup’ik woman, Democrat Mary Peltola, handily beat former Gov. Sarah Palin for a vacant House seat in Alaska. It wasn’t close, either. https://www.adn.com/politics/2022/08/31 ... -congress/

Palin’s political career is probably over.

She replaces Republican Don Young, deceased earlier this year, who had held the seat since 1973!
The year Roe v Wade was decided. He was the longest serving US Representative, ever.

And the sole Alaskan House seat - they have just 1 - has switched from R to D.

……tubby orange one’s sins are starting to come home to roost….
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More on Ken's orange buffoon...
Trump Mar-a-Lago home searched over ‘likely’ efforts to hide files, DoJ says
Hugo Lowell in Washington - 4h ago

The FBI searched Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida after it obtained evidence there was probably an effort to conceal classified documents in defiance of a grand jury subpoena and despite Trump’s lawyers suggesting otherwise, the Department of Justice said in a court filing late on Tuesday night.

The filing, opposing Trump’s request for an independent review of materials seized, amounted to the most detailed picture of potential obstruction of justice yet outlined by the DoJ.

“Efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government’s investigation,” the filing alleged.

Among new revelations in the 36-page filing were that agents recovered three classified documents from desks in Trump’s office and additional classified files from a storage room, contrary to what Trump’s lawyers indicated.

The DoJ suggested the effort to conceal documents started on 3 June, as Trump’s representatives produced a single legal envelope, double-taped, in response to a subpoena for materials removed from the White House.

The file was given to Jay Bratt, the chief DoJ counter-intelligence official, by a Trump lawyer and his records custodian, who signed a letter certifying a “diligent search” had been conducted and all documents responsive to the subpoena were being returned.

The lawyer also told Bratt all records in the envelope had come from one storage room, that there were no other records elsewhere at Mar-a-Lago, and that all boxes brought from the White House had been searched, the DoJ said.

A copy of the letter reproduced in the filing redacted the custodian’s name. Two sources familiar with the matter identified the custodian as Christina Bobb, a member of Trump’s legal team.

According to the filing, the FBI uncovered evidence through multiple sources that classified documents remained at Mar-a-Lago in defiance of the subpoena, and that other records were “likely” removed from the storage room and concealed.

The DoJ said the evidence – details of which were redacted in an affidavit unsealed last week – allowed it to obtain a warrant to enter Mar-a-Lago, where FBI agents found more classified documents in Trump’s office.

“The government seized 33 items of evidence, mostly boxes,” the filing said. “Three classified documents that were not located in boxes, but rather were located in the desks in the ‘45 Office’ were also seized.”

In an exhibit resembling how the justice department would show the results of a drug bust, the filing included a photo of retrieved documents emblazoned with classification markings including “top secret” and “secret” designations.

The DoJ said the documents collected most recently included “sensitive compartmented information”, while other documents were so sensitive that counterintelligence agents reviewing them needed additional security clearances.

The filing said: “That the FBI recovered twice as many documents with classification markings as the ‘diligent search’ that the former president’s counsel and other representatives had weeks to perform, calls into serious question the representations made in the 3 June certification.”

Trump responded on Wednesday with a post on his social media platform, alleging without evidence that the photo of documents was staged and that the documents were supposedly declassified.

“Terrible the way the FBI, during the Raid of Mar-a-Lago, threw documents haphazardly all over the floor (perhaps pretending it was me that did it!), and then started taking pictures of them for the public to see,” Trump said. “Thought they wanted them kept Secret? Lucky I Declassified!”

Trump and allies have insisted he issued some sort of a standing order when he was president that any materials he took to the White House residence were declassified. He has produced no paperwork that might confirm that claim.

In a subsequent post, Trump wrote: “Whatever happened to NUCLEAR, a word that was leaked early on by the FBI/DOJ to the Fake News Media!” – a reference to a news report that the FBI sought materials relating to nuclear weapons.

The justice department appears to have asked Trump representatives in the June subpoena to return documents marked as “S/FRD”, short for “Secret/Formerly Restricted Data”, a control relating to nuclear weapons information designated by the Atomic Energy Act.

Trump has never addressed the central question of why he had classified documents at Mar-a-Lago, why they were in his private office, and why the documents were not surrendered when he was subpoenaed in June.

On Wednesday morning, Liz Cheney, the Wyoming Republican who is vice-chair of the House January 6 committee and a leading Trump critic, tweeted the picture of documents on the floor at Mar-a-Lago and condemned “yet more indefensible conduct by Donald Trump”.

Adam Schiff, the California Democrat who chairs the House intelligence committee, said: “The government’s brief is devastating. The legal arguments are compelling, but what is most striking are the facts outlining how the former president and his team knowingly put our national security at risk.”

In the DoJ filing, after painting an extraordinary portrait of the hurdles the DoJ had to overcome to recover documents that belong to the government, prosecutors argued Trump had no basis to seek the appointment of a so-called special master to review the files.

The request fails, the filing argued, because Trump is attempting to use the potential for executive privilege to withhold documents from the executive branch – which the supreme court decided in Nixon v GSA did not hold.

The DoJ added that even if Trump could successfully assert executive privilege, it would not apply because the documents marked classified were seized as part of a criminal investigation into the handling of the documents themselves.

Trump is expected to press on with his request for a special master and to obtain a more detailed list of materials taken, a source close to his legal team said, also disputing that the DoJ filing raised the likelihood of an obstruction charge.

On Tuesday morning, Trump added a third lawyer, the former Florida solicitor general Christopher Kise, to his legal team, said two sources with direct knowledge of the matter.
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The real interesting fireworks are going to go off when we get the other end of this: who got to see these classified documents and how much did they pay for the privilege?

There is also pretty strict inventory control on classified documents, for obvious reasons. That means we should be able to figure out if any of them are unaccounted for as well.

Curiouser and curiouser...
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Andrew Weissmann's advice to Trump's 2 lawyers: st*u and get the best defense lawyer you can find

https://crooksandliars.com/2022/08/andr ... wyers-need
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August 31, 2022/9 Comments/in 2020 Presidential Election, Leak Investigations /by emptywheel
DOJ’s response to Trump’s request for a Special Master last night did a bunch of things — most notably, debunking lies Trump’s camp had been telling.

But I want to point to several details presumably designed not just to impress Judge Aileen Cannon that this is more serious than Trump has made out, but to give Trump and his attorneys notice that they’re dealing with National Defense Information.

As I and others have noted repeatedly, the Espionage Act doesn’t criminalize the refusal to return classified information. It criminalizes the refusal to return National Defense Information. That’s a legacy of how old the law is — it predates the current US classification system.

But it means Trump’s crowing about having declassified documents is simply bluster, irrelevant to his exposure under the statute.

The distinction between classified and National Defense Information not only shows up in Trump’s affidavit, but it shows up in a key spot: modifying a still-redacted paragraph between the discussion of the June 3 meeting (which, because it pertained to grand jury information, is entirely redacted in the affidavit) and the discussion of Jay Bratt’s June 8 follow-up.

2 18 U.S.C. § 793(e) does not use the term “classified information.” but rather criminalizes the willful retention of “information relating to the national defense.” The statute does not define “information related to the national defense.” but courts have construed it broadly. See Gorin, .. United States. 312 U.S. 19. 28 (1941) (holding that the phrase “information relating to the national defense” as used in the Espionage Act is a “generic concept of broad connotations, referring to the military and naval establishments and the related activities of national preparedness”). In addition, the information must be “closely held” by the U.S. government. See United States v. Squillacote. 221 F.3d 542, 579 (4th Cir. 2000) (”nformation made public by the government as well as information never protected by the governent is not national defense information.”); United States, .. Morison. 844 F.2d 1057, 1071-72 (4th Cir. 1988). Certain courts have also held that the disclosure of the documents must be potentially damaging to the United States. See Morison, 844 F.2d at 1071-72. [my emphasis]

In context, when Bratt contacted Evan Corcoran and instructed him to secure the storage room where, DOJ suspected correctly, classified documents were still being stored, he was asking Corcoran to protect the information.

In yesterday’s filing, the government demonstrated what properly protecting NDI looks like in practice. The example that has — deservedly — gotten the most attention is the description of case agents and National Security Division attorneys having to get additional clearances to access this information.

In some instances, even the FBI counterintelligence personnel and DOJ attorneys conducting the review required additional clearances before they were permitted to review certain documents.

Trump was storing this stuff in a hotel safe. But when FBI and DOJ got the materials back, they wouldn’t let anyone look at the documents until they got additional clearances first.

DOJ also described that the classified materials that have been seized have been segregated and properly stored.

All of the classified documents seized in the August 8 search have been segregated from the rest of the seized documents and are being separately maintained and stored in accordance with appropriate procedures for handling and storing classified information.

DOJ intends that these special protections will extend to these court proceedings: DOJ demanded that if Judge Cannon decides to appoint a Special Master, she pick someone who is already cleared at the TS/SCI level.

If the special master must be permitted to review classified documents, in order to avoid unnecessary delay, the special master should already possess a Top Secret/SCI security clearance.

And finally, there’s the rationale that DOJ raised over and over again for why it needs to retain access to all the classified materials: The Intelligence Community needs to and has already started the process of assessing what kind of damage Trump did by keeping this stuff in his hotel safe.

The Intelligence Community is also reviewing the seized documents to assess the potential risk to national security that would result if these materials were disclosed while they were unlawfully stored at the Premises.

As the government has explained, the Intelligence Community, under the supervision of the Director of National Intelligence, is conducting a classification review of those documents and an assessment of the potential risk to national security that could result from their disclosure.

Thus far, Trump’s lawyers have been oblivious to such warnings.

But if DOJ were to charge this, his attorneys’ obliviousness may be Trump’s downfall. I laid out (most recently in this post) what a jury would be asked to consider if Trump ever were put on trial for his actions. One central question would be whether the jury believed this was NDI, including whether (as bolded above) it was closely held. And one thing prosecutors would demonstrate, at length, is that whatever the former President did with these documents, the rest of the government continued to closely hold the materials.

If Trump’s lawyers were smart, they’d read last night’s filing and realize that every time they make DOJ write up another document, DOJ further documents things that would be key evidence against Trump at trial.

This stunt about a Special Master — whatever else it is — is also helping DOJ strengthen any prosecution of Trump for his actions.
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Desperate is only a word that a person who didn't read the DoJ filing would use. Trump is well and thoroughly caught and the DoJ has followed the evidence meticulously, vs Trump's team has only deployed smoke and mirrors which at every turn have opened up a new can of worms for him that made his situation even darker.

Read.
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No, you all are the desperate ones. And with all the name calling you guys do, I won’t take any criticism from such utter hypocrites!
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dorankj wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:23 pm You idiots have said this over and over and never ‘got him’! Pipe down nutball.
As I said….’stark raving mad’. Q.E.D, Ken! Thanks
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Face the truth, Ken. Your leader is flipping out.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... -rcna45465

He's fanning the flames to create violence. This must be what you want as your posts are so so angry sounding and the name calling. After many of your posts, I tried to feel compassion for you, as perhaps you were picked on. I thought I wouldn't say anything against you. But geez, enough is enough, do't you think. Trump is a madman. Little does he know he is going out of fashion. People will fall away from him, except for the desparate.
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Apparently you didn't read the DoJ filing Tues night. It comes complete with a picture of some of the Top Secret docs that were seized, along with a history of Trump's obstruction for 18 months, the location of the docs including Top Secret kept in his unlocked desk (so they were handy) which is now being called the worst National Security breach in US history. DoJ states that Trump does not have standing to request much less get a special master because the docs belong to the US govt and were co mingled with classified docs so now are evidence.

Read it.

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You idiots have said this over and over and never ‘got him’! Pipe down nutball.
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dorankj wrote: Fri Aug 26, 2022 5:06 pm No, spare all us your righteous indignation! Remember this when the shoe is on the other foot and it will be.
Now, maybe appears not so much so….
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -democrats

In most years of ‘mid year’ elections, the party that holds the Presidency typically looses House seats. Just a few weeks ago many pundits were forecasting a loss of 20-30 House seats for the Dems this fall. Now, some are saying the ‘loss’ could be more like 10-20 seats. Which might be enough to assure the trump/fascists don’t rule; given the number of Republicans - the ones with brains - who often cross the aisle, on major and important votes. (Currently, there is about a 10 vote Dem majority in the House.)

AND, more interesting, other polls are showing the Senate might GAIN 2 Dem seats! ‘538’ is one source that does so….

We have 2 more months of the guilty cheeto stomping around - stark raving mad - continually stepping on his own pecker and shedding more friends and money than the Titanic. One can only imagine what’s coming….
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DoJ response tonight to Trump's request to have a special master review. Simply put, DoJ calls him out at every turn, he not only has no standing to make the request but he withheld docs from Nat'l Archives & DoJ for over a year. The DoJ used this request by Trump's attorneys to lay bare all the disinformation, distractions and outright lies circulating.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... 48.0_1.pdf
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There's so many deep dives going on now about the various legalities, this one is interesting because it brings up Kavanaugh's stint in the WH, but also the premise that no former president should have the right to remove his presidential papers so that they are not available to an incumbent president to review, particularly in matters of national security. Trump has clearly obstructed the process time and again and his lawyers have failed to take advantage of opportunities to mitigate his situation. Oh, and had you heard there's tunnels under MAL?

https://www.justsecurity.org/82873/asse ... -mal-docs/
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