Please... NO Biden vs. Trump in 2024...

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In the Dem field of '20 Biden was probably the only one who fit the bill of offering experience as well as compassion. People were exhausted by Trump, horrified by his lawlessness and his clear disdain for the life of the babies in cages, for Muslims, for his disrespect of our allies and strange love of the fascist leaders around the world and covid impacted everyone. Biden was measured, calm, knowledgeable and Senators who had worked with him for decades respected him from both sides of the aisle.

Things have changed to make the priority of the elder statesman not as appealing. Climate change is killing off life faster than anyone had hoped, there's rumblings of new wars around the world, the global economy is in a tither where most economists are at a loss to know how to call it, pirates are making a comeback...so I suspect that '24 will be an election looking for a warrior. Someone who has bold plans, a good grasp of economic pitfalls, someone who knows the power of diversity, someone who's not afraid of change and is willing to sit at the table with other global leaders.

So, my hat's off to Biden for the job he's done in righting the ship, but the country will need a dynamic leader from a younger generation to follow through in '24.

As for Trump, well we've got a long way to go before we can call the country fixed after the havoc he wrought. His father was diagnosed with Altzheimer's at his age and it would seem fitting with his history that he get a disease that makes him forget all the damage he's done.
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I certainly prefer that Biden doesn't run again and of course Trump. Main reason for Biden is he is too old(as is Trump) Trumps age is not the main reason he should run, but it is a factor. It's hard to let Trump become irrelevant because of his many egregious acts which are coming to light more and more.
I have read about Larry Hogan for the GOP. He sounds very reasonable.
Who would be a good Dem. nominee?
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So, the definitoin of a "never trumper" must be someone who doesn't have his head stuck up trump's butt...

Can't run if he is in jail... lol... :-)

Actually, many in the GOP are finally getting tired of his act and bs... I have been from the start... There are much better candidates to field in 2024 than him that can actually effectively run the country for the better.
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Maybe you never Trumpers should have let him become irrelevant, the crazy focus on him and ‘third impeachment’ damn near guarantees he’ll run. Even the concept of ‘Alzheimer’s in Chief’ running is completely devoid of reality, virtually no dems will have anything to do with him and under 30 voters are nearly 0% support so that’s completely laughable.
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Exclusive: A Biden vs. Trump rematch in 2024? Two-thirds of Americans say no thanks
Susan Page, Chelsey Cox, Ella Lee and Katherine Swartz, USA TODAY - 1h ago

How about a Joe Biden v. Donald Trump rematch in 2024?

While both men have indicated they plan to launch bids for second terms, voters are unenthusiastic about a replay of the 2020 contest. In a new USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll, 65% of registered voters, including half of Democrats, don't want President Biden to run for another term. And 68% of voters, including a third of Republicans, don't want former President Trump to run again.

Among independent voters, the swing group in most elections, more than seven in 10 are opposed to each of them running.

"Honestly, anybody else," said John Beltran, 36, of Pflugerville, Texas. The software developer, a Democrat, was among those called in the poll. "We know what we're getting with Trump and Biden," he said, saying he would like to have some other choices.

Exclusive poll: 100 days before the midterms, Americans aren't happy about their options

Americans express overwhelming dissatisfaction with both major parties and broad support for a third party, an idea that has proven difficult to execute in the past. The weariness and wariness toward both Biden and Trump, even among a fair share of those who voted for each two years ago, could create openings for potential challengers.

Horserace polls taken two years before a presidential election have a sorry record of predicting who will prevail to win the nomination and the White House. They typically measure name identification as much as political prospects.

What is striking, though, is the eagerness of most Americans to support candidates beyond those who are now are the faces of the Democratic and Republican parties. That sentiment might be a factor for Biden or Trump as they weigh whether to run, and it could affect the calculations of would-be challengers.

The survey of 1,000 registered voters, taken by landline and cell phone July 22-25, has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

On Trump's heels: Ron DeSantis
In the Republican field, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is on Trump's heels.

Among seven possible GOP candidates:

Trump finishes first, at 43%.
DeSantis is second at 34%.
Former vice president Mike Pence is third at 7%.
Four other prospects trailed at 1% to 3%.
But when Republicans' first and second choices for the nomination are combined, a way to measure the breadth of a candidate's potential support, DeSantis narrowly leads Trump; 64% choose DeSantis as their first or second choice, compared to 57% who choose Trump.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis speaks before he signs a record $109.9 billion state budget on June, 2, 2022.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis speaks before he signs a record $109.9 billion state budget on June, 2, 2022.
More: Ron DeSantis, Donald Trump give dueling Florida speeches, testing GOP allegiances

To be sure, Trump retains the fervent backing of core voters. "He did a lot of things for us," Danielle Cobb, 34, a real estate appraiser from Tucson, Arizona, said in a follow-up interview. "He lowered the prices. The market was great. The cost of living was great, like everybody was going in the right direction."

But a majority of Republicans didn't cite Trump as their choice for the nomination in 2024; 49% preferred another candidate and 8% were undecided.

"I think Biden has definitely shown that there's probably a limit to the age of what a president should be ... and you know, Trump isn't any younger than that," said Julie Clifford, 62, a retired engineer from Burleson, Texas. "So while I voted for Trump before, I wouldn't go after him this time." She's interested in DeSantis.

Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney finished fourth in the poll, albeit a distant fourth at 3%. She is Trump's nemesis, booted out of the House GOP leadership and now co-chair of the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol. In two weeks, Cheney faces an uphill battle in the Wyoming primary to hold the GOP nomination for her House seat.

Cheney was chosen by 13 of the 414 Republican primary voters surveyed. That was enough to edge out former UN ambassador Nikki Haley (chosen by 11 voters), former New Jersey governor Chris Christie (6) and former secretary of State Mike Pompeo (3).

Democratic contenders in a bunch
Several potential GOP candidates have signaled they are likely to run for the nomination even if Trump does. In contrast, most potential Democratic candidates have said they would support Biden if he ran again.

Kamala Harris speaks at the National Education Association convention in Chicago, Illinois on July 5, 2022.
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Kamala Harris speaks at the National Education Association convention in Chicago, Illinois on July 5, 2022.
At the moment, there is no such clear shape to the Democratic field that might follow Biden. The USA TODAY/Suffolk poll listed seven possibilities. They all finished within 10 points of one another.

Among Democratic primary voters:

Vice President Kamala Harris and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders are each at 18%.
Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg is at 16%.
Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar is at 11%.
New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is at 10%
California Gov. Gavin Newsom and former secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the party's 2016 nominee, are each at 8%.
The findings show the potential tug-of-war ahead between the party's most progressive voices – Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez, with support totaling 28% – and those more likely to talk about the need for outreach to moderates, including Buttigieg and Klobuchar, both from heartland states. Their support totaled 27%.

When the first and second choices of Democratic voters are combined, Harris is at 35%, Buttigieg and Sanders at 30%, Klobuchar and Ocasio-Cortez at 22%, Newsom at 18% and Clinton at 15%.

Joseph Simon, 60, a data analyst from Mountain View, California, said that if Biden and Trump face a rematch, Biden would have his vote. But his dream candidate is Klobuchar. "I think she's a Democrat who listens to what used to be the mainstream Democrat working-class people," he said. "She's proven that she can appeal to moderate Republicans and independents."

What about Biden?

"I think he is doing a good job," Simon said. "Given the circumstances, I think he's doing a great job."

But many Democrats acknowledged a thread of disappointment in Biden's presidency, a feeling that he hasn't been able to deliver as they had hoped.

"I like a lot of the promises Joe Biden made when he was running, but once he got into office, he didn't really keep any of the promises that he's made," said Cherish Derrickson, 23, a law school student from Lexington, Kentucky. She mentioned proposals to forgive student loans. "That's not entirely his fault, but he does have a Democratic Senate and a Democratic House, and nothing's getting done."

In 2020, Biden campaigned on his ability to unite the country and rebuild bipartisanship. By more than 3-1, 67%-21%, those surveyed say the country has gotten more divided during his tenure, not more united.

Democrats by 44%-41% say it has gotten more divided.

Biden would have slight lead over Trump inrematch?
If there is a replay of the 2020 race, 45% of those surveyed would vote for Biden, 41% for Trump and 6% for "someone else." Four percent are undecided and 3% wouldn't vote.

That lead of four percentage points for Biden echoes his 4.4-point defeat of Trump in the popular vote in the last election, 51.3%-46.9%. Then, less than 2% of the electorate supported other candidates.

Now, just one in four voters say the Democratic and Republican parties do a good job of representing Americans' political views. Six in 10 say a third party or multiple parties are necessary. While efforts to establish a third party have faltered in the past, former presidential candidate Andrew Yang, a Democrat, and former New Jersey governor Christine Todd Whitman, a Republican, on Thursday launched a new centrist party called Forward.

In the USA TODAY poll, Larry Braslow, a computer technician and political independent, said he would like to see new faces. "None of the top political people right now are impressive," he said. "I would love to see some new individuals, whether they're current in politics or not, to get out and try to come up with some ideas, how they want to fix things or approach things.

"I'm 71, but our old politicians, all the guys over 50, I haven't seen one come up with a new idea in years."

This article originally appeared on USA TODAY: Exclusive: A Biden vs. Trump rematch in 2024? Two-thirds of Americans say no thanks
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