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dorankj wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 8:06 am She’s doing it because Trump wouldn’t give her a job at Mar-a-lago! You don’t really think or research very deep do you?
So you're telling me that a bright, educated person with great connections from her previous job burns all of her bridges and commits perjury because she didn't get the job that was her first choice? No way.
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She’s doing it because Trump wouldn’t give her a job at Mar-a-lago! You don’t really think or research very deep do you?
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Chitta wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 5:57 am Hutchinson is performing her lines about as well as Smollet and Heard! When the left sees loss looming they just lie and cheat.
Except that Ms. Hutchinson is a Republican.

Yes, anonymous sources have claimed her testimony is incorrect or false. But nobody has came forward on the record or under oath yet doing exactly that.

True or not, it seems she has much to lose and very little to gain by making the statements she did. From the standpoint of her own self-interest the smart thing to do would be to shut up and not offer any information unless it was explicitly asked for. So if she is lying why is she lying? If she is being coerced or bribed who is doing so? Or is she just a kook who makes stuff up?

None of that makes very much sense. But we are talking about a Trump White House and that shouldn't be surprising.

It seems to me that if one were to lie there would be far juicier and problematic (for Trump and Trumpworld) lies to tell.

The fact of the matter is that we are unlikely to see Trump charged with anything, even if he got caught with his pants down with a 10 year old. Prosecutors aren't going to charge him unless they are damned sure they can win the case, and the odds of choosing 12 people at random without at least one Trumpanzee who'd never convict him for anything regardless of evidence is low. And Trump and his idiots would call a hung jury a "total exoneration." We know the drill here.
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Hutchinson is performing her lines about as well as Smollet and Heard! When the left sees loss looming they just lie and cheat.
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‘Me thinks doth protest too much’!
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This is about a year old, but I hadn’t seen it.

A 40 minute video piece from the NYTimes, from a large variety of sources. If you have the stomach for it….

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politi ... rters.html

‘..just some regular Capitol visitors….’
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Sounds like the J6 committee is getting more requests for testimony on a daily basis now, after Hutchinson's testimony.
The next hearings will focus on how the insurrection was organized, who were the leaders and how it was financed.
In the meantime Cheney told ABC this morning that the committee may make more than one criminal referral to the DoJ.

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Well, it wasn't all hearsay.

Like the stuff about Trump wanting to allow armed people into the Jan. 6th rally because they weren't there to hurt him.

And this isn't a criminal proceeding, but any rocks that are inconveniently flipped over can be investigated for one. I'm pretty sure the code of silence in this case won't prevent someone from coming forward to save their personal hide.
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Sure.
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Unfortunately for your FOX premise, her recounting has been verified by Secret Service members, by testimony from other members of Trump's inner circle. The J6 hearing on Tuesday was not just her testimony but a litany of receipts that the committee had that were shown on the screen. The threats that she received were documented, they will lead to witness tampering investigations and because they are so blatent more likely than not there will be charges.

You can live in your Fox world but even Fox punditry have acknowledged that her testimony was convincing. She didn't lie, she didn't exaggerate, she simply recounted. If you bother to read the Lawfare piece I put up, take a look at who wrote it, you'll understand that Trump's order to take the Mags out and let my (armed & dangerous) people in is a game changer.
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Yeah, second or third hand hearsay is super persuasive and will work in court. You guys are delusional!
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Even the most resistant legal minds to the idea of charging Trump, with sedition, were moved by Cassidy Hutchinson's Tuesday testimony. The legal analysis is persuasive.

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Steve Bannon was staying out of DC around that time and was busy on his podcast stirring up the crowds from that end. Alex Jones was there on J6 and Stone was at the hotel/war room. I suspect Bannon has a better sense of survival that most.
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Two thoughts.

The War Room. Steve Bannon was there too. And they had connections with the Proud Boys and other right wing terror groups. Odd he wasn't mentioned.

Is anyone else horrified that somebody who threw temper tantrums at lunch also had the power to destroy the world?
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Today’s testimony before the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol was explosive. It tied former president Donald Trump and his chief of staff Mark Meadows directly to a plot to overturn the U.S. government.

The witness was Cassidy Hutchinson, a 25-year-old aide to Meadows and congressional liaison who was well known on Capitol Hill. She was a staunch Republican who had worked for Representative Steve Scalise (R-LA), the second highest Republican in the House, and Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX). An aide to former House speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI), Brendan Buck, tweeted that “when Meadows was on the Hill he always insisted that she be in *every* meeting he had, no matter how small. It was odd then, and doesn't seem to be working out for him now.”

Hutchinson testified that leaders in the Trump White House planned the attack on the Capitol. On January 2, 2021, Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani met with Meadows and others in the White House, and as Hutchinson walked him to his vehicle, Giuliani asked her if she was excited about the sixth, saying, “We’re going to the Capitol! It’s going to be great!” When she asked Meadows what Giuliani meant, Meadows told her, “There’s a lot going on…things might get real, real bad on January 6.”

On January 4, National Security Advisor Robert O’Brien called Meadows to warn of violence on January 6. The Secret Service and White House Deputy Chief of Staff Anthony Ornato, who was in charge of security protocol to protect anyone covered by presidential protection, also warned of coming violence.

Hutchinson connected Trump to the insurrection attempt when she noted that on January 5, Trump told Meadows to contact Trump confidants Roger Stone and Michael Flynn, both of whom Trump had recently pardoned after they had been convicted of crimes, to talk about the next day. Hutchinson says Meadows did that. At the time, Stone was in Washington, D.C., where he was repeatedly photographed with members of the Oath Keepers who were acting as his bodyguards. A number of Oath Keepers have been charged with seditious conspiracy; at least two have pleaded guilty.

That night, Meadows wanted to go to the “War Room” that Giuliani, Trump lawyer John Eastman, and others had set up at the Willard Hotel, but he ultimately decided to call in rather than to go in person.

According to Hutchinson, by about 8:00 on the morning of January 6, intelligence reports were already coming in that some of the people near the Ellipse, where Trump was to speak, were dressed in body armor and armed with Glock-style pistols, shotguns, and AR-15s, along with other weapons. At 10:00, Hutchinson, Ornato, and Meadows talked of the weapons, but Meadows brushed it off, asking only if they had told Trump, which they had.

That made Hutchinson’s next revelation seismic. Text messages between Hutchinson and Ornato show that Trump was “furious” before the Ellipse rally because he wanted photos to show the space full of people and it was not full because law enforcement was screening people for weapons before they could go in. Trump wanted the screening machines, called magnetometers, to be taken down. Hutchinson testified that Trump yelled, “They’re not here to hurt me. Take the F’ing mags away. Let my people in. They can march to the Capitol from here.”

Then, knowing that some of the people in the crowd were armed, Trump repeatedly urged them to “fight,” using language his lawyers had warned against.

Hutchinson testified that Trump was determined to go to the Capitol with the crowd despite the desperate efforts of White House Counsel Pat Cipollone to make sure it didn’t happen. Cipollone told Hutchinson that Trump’s appearance there would open the White House up to being charged with “every crime imaginable” because it would look like Trump was inciting a riot. Nonetheless, Trump was furious that Meadows had not been able to persuade the Secret Service to make it happen, so furious that Cassidy heard from others that when he found that the SUV in which he was riding would not take him to the Capitol, Trump had lunged at the agent refusing to take him there.

Hutchinson did not know what the plan was for Trump’s trip to the Capitol, but there was talk of an additional speech there, “before he went in. I know that there was a conversation about him going into the House chamber at one point,” she said. The president is only supposed to go into the House chamber when specifically invited, so perhaps he expected to be invited in, or perhaps he was going in without an invitation, or perhaps those talking about it were just tossing out unworkable ideas.

Back at the White House, as the rioters breached the Capitol, Hutchinson went into Meadows’s office between 2:00 and 2:05 to ask if he was watching the scene unfold on his television. Scrolling through his phone, he answered that he was. She asked if he had talked to Trump. He said, “Yeah. He wants to be alone right now.” Cipollone burst into the office and said to go get the president. Meadows repeated that Trump didn't want to do anything. Cipollone “very clearly said this to Mark—something to the effect of, ‘Mark, something needs to be done or people are going to die and the blood’s going to be on your f-ing hands. This is getting out of control.’”

When the rioters began to chant, “Hang Mike Pence,” Cipollone tried again to get Trump to stop the rioters, and Meadows again said, “You heard it, Pat. He thinks Pence deserves it. He doesn’t think they’re doing anything wrong.” Then, rather than calming the crowd as it threatened the vice president, at 2:24, Trump put out the tweet further blaming Pence for letting him down.

By 3:00, White House personnel, Ivanka Trump, and various members of Congress were begging Trump to release a statement telling the rioters to go home, making it clear they all knew he could make the violence stop if only he wanted to. But he didn’t want to. Not until 4:17, after Biden had already made a statement, did he speak up. Trump told the rioters to go home and that “we love you.”

The next day, as Cabinet officers talked of invoking the 25th Amendment to the Constitution and removing Trump from office, advisors convinced Trump to make a video. Even then, he refused to say that the rioters should be prosecuted—instead, he wanted to talk of pardoning them—and refused to say that the election was over.

In the aftermath of the election, both Meadows and Giuliani asked for a presidential pardon.

What emerged from today’s explosive hearing was the story of a president and his close advisors who planned a coup, sent an armed mob to the Capitol, approved of calls to murder the vice president, and had to be forced to call the mob off. Two of the president’s closest advisors then asked for a presidential pardon. While they did not get those pardons, Trump’s PAC later gave $1 million to Meadows’s Conservative Partnership Institute.

That, right there, is enough to make today stunning. But there was more.

Hutchinson described an angry and violent man who threw plates at the walls when he was frustrated.

The committee revealed that when it interviewed Michael Flynn, he took the Fifth on whether violence on January 6th was justified either legally or morally. He also took the Fifth on whether he believed in the peaceful transition of power in the U.S.

Vice-chair Liz Cheney (R-WY) revealed at the end of the hearing that witnesses said they had been pressured by Trump’s people to remain “loyal” when testifying, and having just tipped their hand about just how much information the committee has, Thompson urged those witnesses to come back and revise their testimony. He urged others to come forward as well—perhaps a nudge to Cipollone, who has been portrayed positively in the hearings, both today and in the hearing covering Trump’s attempt to install Jeffrey Clark as acting attorney general, when Cipollone stood against that corruption.

CNN journalist Jake Tapper concluded: “It was devastating testimony, a portrait of a president who was completely and utterly out of control and, without question, knew of the danger of his supporters that were going to the mall…. This was obscene.”

It was. And yet no one in the White House either spoke up to warn us before January 6 or testified at Trump’s second impeachment trial, where he was charged with incitement of insurrection and, thanks to Republican senators, acquitted.

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It either didn't occur to him or he didn't care that the armed (with AR15's) insurrectionists planning on invading the Capitol where there was a reasonable assumption that they would shoot or harm members of his own party.

As she relayed the day, Trump's telling the SS that he was safe from the armed mob because they 'are my people' pretty much closes the doors on any spin that these were BLM in costumes. Trump knew they were his people.

Nice touch about the ketchup on the wall and broken plates, then the next answer that said this wasn't the first time he'd had a temper tantrum. The plates were govt property and breaking them is a Fed'l offense. I'd heard stories about how he liked to send his valet out for McDonald's french fries but just shook my head, now I'm wondering what he was eating with the ketchup.

Cheney's closing statement where she drove home the evidence pointing towards obstruction of justice and witness tampering pretty much was the frosting on today's cake.
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Damn, just damn. Just when you can't imagine it getting any worse, it does.

So apparently:
  • Mr. Trump apparently didn't care at all that some of his supporters were armed.
  • Mr. Trump wanted to go to the capitol so badly that he grabbed for the steering wheel and assaulted the Secret Service agent driving his limo.
  • Mr. Trump threw a tantrum that ended up with broken dishes and ketchup on the wall. Apparently that wasn't the first time it happened.
Not really surprising, but still sad that so many were taken in by the grift and voted for this fruitcake.
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