Pasayten's Methow Valley Bulletin Board

You really don’t get it, ‘regulate’ whoever (both properly) just don’t kill an innocent child! I know Jesus spoke to this Ray and I thought that matters?

Great! Women are uniting on this, make no mistake. And look at our Sisters in Iran, and some men too, risking beatings and death. No more repression of women the world over. It's coming. Watch out Trumpers.

For Ken...

Discussion on early stages of pregnancy, with pictures, up through 9 weeks of pregnancy.
(at 7 weeks the gestational sac is not yet 3/4” in dia.)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... ion-tissue

Mobile clinics are being planned.

Including one planned on a retro-fitted ship in the Gulf of Mexico - to circumvent TX and other southern states.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... roe-v-wade

Abortion is absolutely an economic issue.

https://crooksandliars.com/2022/10/stac ... e-barnicle

Was heard on TV. I'll find the article too. Here is the link to the article.

https://www.advocate.com/politics/2022/ ... one-gender

Wow, Josh Hawley really did say there was only one gender.

I wonder which one he would choose. And how exactly that is supposed to work.

Trump for Prison! I like that! And his creepy cronies, like Roger Stone. He is perverted, hello? Jim Jorden a sleaze, Teddy furry faced Cruz, Josh Hawley, who said there should be one gender. Huh? He certainly use the wrong word. Idiots all. Mean all. Sadistic all.

From the WaPo: https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion ... YmSEuj4IE8


Three Jewish women in Kentucky have filed a lawsuit arguing that a set of state laws that ban most abortions violate their religious rights.
The lawsuit, filed in Jefferson Circuit Court in Louisville, is the third such suit brought by Jewish organizations or individuals since the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the right to an abortion in its ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization. In all three suits — the first in Florida, the second in Indiana — the Jewish plaintiffs claim their state is infringing on their religious freedom by imposing a Christian understanding of when life begins.
Under current Kentucky laws, life begins at the moment of fertilization. Another law bans abortion after six weeks when cardiac activity is first detected.
Abortion will be on the ballot next month when Kentuckians decide the fate of a proposed constitutional amendment that would eliminate the right to abortion in the state.
“There are a whole patchwork of laws, passed over the last 20 years,” said Ben Potash, one of the lawyers who filed the complaint. “They’re internally inconsistent and, put together, very vague.”
Most Jews believe abortion is allowed and, in some cases, even required.
“Judaism has never defined life beginning at conception,” the Kentucky suit says, adding that “millennia of commentary from Jewish scholars has reaffirmed Judaism’s commitment to reproductive rights.”
The suit, filed Thursday, repurposes a legal tactic successfully used by conservative Christian groups in recent years.
The women are not the first to challenge Kentucky’s abortion bans. The American Civil Liberties Union and Planned Parenthood sued the state shortly after the Dobbs ruling was handed down.
What’s distinct about the latest suit is that all three of the Jewish women require in vitro fertilization to become pregnant but are afraid of beginning the procedure without greater clarity about what the law will permit them to do with excess frozen embryos. The suit claims the women must spend exorbitant fees to keep their embryos frozen indefinitely, and they are unsure whether they will face felony charges if they dispose of them.
Further, because pregnancies resulting from infertility treatments have a higher rate of stillbirth, the women foresee the possibility of not wanting to carry their IVF pregnancies to term if the fetus is not viable.
The law “does not impose clear standards, rules, or regulations regarding the potential experiences of potential birth givers with regards to their access to reproductive technology,” their suit says.
In this sense, the Kentucky suit is about women who want to give birth, not women who want to abort, said Sheila Katz, CEO of the National Council of Jewish Women, which is supporting and advising plaintiffs in all three states where the abortion restrictions are being challenged in court.
“It’s a scary time to be pregnant,” Katz said. “The state is telling them their life is not as valuable as the fetus. These women are saying, ‘A, that’s against our religious tradition, and B, you owe us with being less vague about what this will look like so we can start our families.’ ”
In June, a Jewish congregation in Florida filed suit arguing the state’s 15-week abortion ban — signed into law by Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) — prohibits Jewish women practicing their faith free of government intrusion. In September, a group called Hoosier Jews for Choice sued, claiming, among other things, that the Indiana law banning abortion violated the state’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act.
The women in Kentucky claim the abortion ban similarly violates their state’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act. That law states that government “shall not substantially burden a person’s freedom of religion” unless it proves a compelling interest and uses “the least restrictive means” to do so.
“If you’re Jewish, you’re having a very narrowly defined idea of when life begins imposed on you that is incongruent with our religious beliefs of when life begins,” said Lisa Sobel, 38, one of the women in the lawsuit.
She said she met the other plaintiffs, Jessica Kalb and Sarah Barton, through Louisville’s Jewish community. They learned that all three require IVF treatments to have children.
“When Dobbs came down,” Sobel said, “we didn’t know what to do.”

The Unholy Trinity of Trumpers, Republicans and fake Christians are trying to destroying America. I could almost laugh over their ridiculous fears that President Obama would make our country Muslin. Wow guys, here you are, making your own ugly rules against women. And DoranK, don't give me your BS about abortion. Leave it to your God, fool. It is not your place to judge. If you really cared about babies you would support women and children with social programs and leave Planned Parenthood alone and not deny women birth control. Planned Parenthood is a good source of women's health care. Never have I known such an irresponsible and closed-mined set of people. The election was NOT NOT NOT stolen, Trump is a thief, a scoundrel and was unfit before he was "elected?????" and we are NOT meant to be a "Christian" nation - especially not the ugly, fake, hateful Christianity of Republicans, Trumpers and the extreme far right "religious" people. Get over yourselves. TRUMP FOR PRISON.

‘Mother’s against Greg Abbott’ in Texas posted another powerful video -

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-AA12Yn1x

The development of Georgia Senate candidate and Trump favorite Hershel Walker now having it revealed that he asked his girlfriend to have an abortion not once but 2x, which brings an interesting twist to the oft argued point by Ken...that abortion should not be a tool of convenience.

What Walker did was not illegal, he chose 2x to ask his girlfriend to get an abortion. His girlfriend complied once and then made the choice the second time to have his child.

What is problematic and brings to bear what I've suspected all along is Walker's example of promoting all out abortion bans except when it comes to his own personal life. Too many stories have come out of Rep politicians who used abortion as an act of convenience for the own circumstances but then publicly gave full throated support to ban abortions for everyone else.

In that context it is clear that the abortion issue to those same politicians is a political scam where they can raise money (Walker raised $500,000 in the days following the first charge), rile the base and generate talking point against Dems by calling them baby killers.

No where in the Rep rants does anyone talk about policies to take care of families, prop up the health care system that families rely upon, feed poor children in schools or ensure good education. Instead, all I ever hear is the squeal of brakes when the conversation dares to tread beyond killing fetuses.

I note that there is an unintended consequences rider on every law that is passed and for that matter every court decision that sets a precedent. Though rarely the unintended consequences are so horrifying and predictable as in this case.

So now we're getting into the reality of the civil rights issue. This young girl is denied her medication for her debilitating arthritis medication that she's taken for years because the med can also be given to abort a fetus. A boy in a similar predicament wouldn't be denied the med. That's gender discrimination which is the bottom line of what Dobbs was all about. This is what happens in AZ and every other state that thinks a blanket abortion ban is hunkey dorie.

https://crooksandliars.com/2022/10/teen ... ife-saving

Update: a friend told me that indeed a young boy had also been denied the med...BECAUSE THE PHARMACIST WAS AFRAID HE WOULD GIVE IT TO HIS GIRLFRIEND! So now the unintended consequences are broadening.

Mister Coffee is curious about how so many right-wingers are so interested and concerned with what other people do with their private parts in private.

I hear you there. I think he does hate women. He'll deny it.
Keep up the good work!

Pal, I keep trying because it's hard to understand why he hates women so much and can't accept that they are capable of making choices for themselves about their own health.

Remember Ken has had Covid twice and if you read the statistics, they are quite high for those getting the 2nd round to have lasting side effects.

TWO times Covid??? I thought he mentioned he had some kind of superior genetics and immune system???

Ken, your reasoning doesn't work on this. Killing a one year old is way different than women having access to reproductive care, which by the way, is between a woman and her doctor. You feel as strongly about your gun rights as we do about reproductive freedom. And...you have to be right about everything it seems. Your ego can't back down and maybe even see a different side of things.
Rideback, you keep trying but you won't get anywhere. A waste of energy. Remember Ken has had Covid twice and if you read the statistics, they are quite high for those getting the 2nd round to have lasting side effects. Cognitive and reasoning problems being one of the many.
He's a stubborn ole cuss ain't he.

You just deflected, your response is not an answer, just an attempt to conflate. You seem unable to answer my question. Try again.

Actually, it DOES “cut it in real life”. Do we as a society accept similar reasoning if a mother kills her child at one year old?

Ken, you're dodging the questions and obviously you can because you're a man and you'll never face the complexity of healthcare necessities that women face. Turning a blind eye and retreating into your cave of generic answer of 'killing a baby' doesn't cut it in real life. Answer the question.

In Texas, where abortion is illegal even in instances of rape, Gov Abbott has said the State would offer “baby supplies” to rape victims.

https://www.reformaustin.org/trib/abbot ... in-debate/

This in the only debate of this years Governors race in TX….Beto Orourke debated Abbott in an empty theatre; the only way Abbott would agree to a debate.

That folks, is what true, COMPASSIONATE, conservatism looks like.

Isn’t “punishing others” what happens to the child that is aborted?