Roe vs. Wade

[mister_coffee]

Mister Coffee is curious about how so many right-wingers are so interested and concerned with what other people do with their private parts in private.

[PAL]

I hear you there. I think he does hate women. He'll deny it.
Keep up the good work!

[Rideback]

Pal, I keep trying because it's hard to understand why he hates women so much and can't accept that they are capable of making choices for themselves about their own health.

[pasayten]

Remember Ken has had Covid twice and if you read the statistics, they are quite high for those getting the 2nd round to have lasting side effects.

TWO times Covid??? I thought he mentioned he had some kind of superior genetics and immune system???

[PAL]

Ken, your reasoning doesn't work on this. Killing a one year old is way different than women having access to reproductive care, which by the way, is between a woman and her doctor. You feel as strongly about your gun rights as we do about reproductive freedom. And...you have to be right about everything it seems. Your ego can't back down and maybe even see a different side of things.
Rideback, you keep trying but you won't get anywhere. A waste of energy. Remember Ken has had Covid twice and if you read the statistics, they are quite high for those getting the 2nd round to have lasting side effects. Cognitive and reasoning problems being one of the many.
He's a stubborn ole cuss ain't he.

[Rideback]

You just deflected, your response is not an answer, just an attempt to conflate. You seem unable to answer my question. Try again.

[dorankj]

Actually, it DOES “cut it in real life”. Do we as a society accept similar reasoning if a mother kills her child at one year old?

[Rideback]

Ken, you're dodging the questions and obviously you can because you're a man and you'll never face the complexity of healthcare necessities that women face. Turning a blind eye and retreating into your cave of generic answer of 'killing a baby' doesn't cut it in real life. Answer the question.

[just-jim]

In Texas, where abortion is illegal even in instances of rape, Gov Abbott has said the State would offer “baby supplies” to rape victims.

https://www.reformaustin.org/trib/abbot ... in-debate/

This in the only debate of this years Governors race in TX….Beto Orourke debated Abbott in an empty theatre; the only way Abbott would agree to a debate.

That folks, is what true, COMPASSIONATE, conservatism looks like.

[dorankj]

Isn’t “punishing others” what happens to the child that is aborted?

[mister_coffee]

Being cruel and hostile and "punishing" others is the whole point for the obnoxiously self-righteous.

[PAL]

What a crude joke, Jinlges. It's always up to the woman to make sure she doesn't get pregnant, isn't it. What's a man called if he gets a woman pregnant? He can walk away from it.
In the old days...what a load of crap. Referring to the old days on and on. Back in the day....
Helping to pay for contraception is for those that are very poor and cannot afford it. It's a small amount to pay to help reduce unwanted pregnancies.
Abstinence. You've got to be kidding. People have feelings and emotions. That could be the ideal for the teen years, but for older people, it won't happen.
Rideback is asking some good questions Ken. What say you to them?

[Rideback]

Ken, how do you answer the women and children who seek an abortion because the fetus threatens their life, the fetus is not viable, the fetus or even child in a late term pregnancy has died or a woman has had a miscarriage but her health requires that an abortion be performed because the miscarriage was incomplete, because the woman was raped or a victim of incest? What is your answer to these women? Die? FYI, if the mother dies the fetus dies.

[Jingles]

Interesting article

[Jingles]

Let's face some facts here. If the hardcore forced-birth anti-abortionist people really cared about dead babies, they would support efforts to provide free and safe contraception so those babies couldn't be killed in the first place.

But the ugly truth here is they don't really care about babies at all. They are using that as a shield and a cudgel to torment people different from them and to defend their own ugly self-righteousness.

Yes I am an anti abortionist with a few exceptions and they were stated previously, I am also well over the hill age wise and cam say back 50 /60 years ago contraception was abstinence, now abstinence is a forgotten means of preventing pregnancies.

First question if You want others to pay for a person's free and safe contraception does the person paying for it get the benefits of enjoying the act needing contraception with the person needing the protection? If not why not they are paying for it?

There was at one times when the word was to avoid pregnancy was to keep a quarter (2 bits) between the knees if the girl got pg she qualified as a 2bit whore

[dorankj]

Life isn’t “black and white” it is life and death.

[Rideback]

Women don't have abortions for convenience

https://prochoice.org/wp-content/upload ... rtions.pdf

[mister_coffee]

Let's face some facts here. If the hardcore forced-birth anti-abortionist people really cared about dead babies, they would support efforts to provide free and safe contraception so those babies couldn't be killed in the first place.

But the ugly truth here is they don't really care about babies at all. They are using that as a shield and a cudgel to torment people different from them and to defend their own ugly self-righteousness.

[Rideback]

Ken, I hear that Harvard put out a $1 million reward for the first man who becomes pregnant. It's a safe bet, but you go ahead and get pregnant and carry that child, have at it.

My guiding beliefs have no political sway, they exist before any political party, I would have them if I was from Africa, the Middle East or Europe. By assigning a political stigma to beliefs you're trying to tribalize right vs wrong, to pidgeonhole people so that their political label then allows you to dismiss anything you can't agree with. Life just isn't that black and white, living asks all of us to learn from each other.

Women are not livestock. Women must have equal rights in order for a society to call itself civilized. The situation cannot be resolved by taking away a woman's rights to choose her own healthcare in order to punish the very small few who you think are using abortion as some kind of birth control.

[dorankj]

If you ever discover that I’ve aborted a baby in me or killed a child of mine, of any age, you may have a point.

[mister_coffee]

From "Two Bad Ideas of the (Morally) Self-Righteous" ( https://theelectricagora.com/2020/01/23 ... righteous/ ):

The second – and it is intimately related to and entwined with the first – is that those whom the (self) righteous believe are Bad People deserve neither quarter nor pity. The idea isn’t just that The Bad deserve what they get, a kind of melancholic observation of what comes of bad Karma, but that we should put the boot in (especially when they are down) and should be brutal in doing it…and pitiless afterwards.

[dorankj]

Rideback, your positions are blatantly political ‘universal health care, etc.’ Is killing a one year old “sad, unfortunate and bluntly ugly thing”? We seem to determine it’s illegal! Maybe find a principle that doesn’t prove your ignorance.

[mister_coffee]

One can agree that abortion is a sad, unfortunate, and bluntly ugly thing and still believe that outlawing it and making it a crime is a completely inappropriate and ultimately futile response.

Kind of like throwing the mentally ill in jail.

[Rideback]

Ken, you said you weren't beholden to my politics so I responded that the abortion crisis has nothing to do with my politics. Why do you think it's a political issue?

[dorankj]

So what? Answering questions no one asked.