Ken, it's between a woman and her doctor. The GOP doesn't have compassion for the babies once they are out of the womb. They did not vote for the child tax credit law. Alabama and another southern state, rank very low in women's health care and I'm not talking just about abortion here.
Do you have compassion for the women that are raped or incest is committed against them and then would have to bear the baby? You have a right to your beliefs, but I hope that aspect of rape and incest and bearing the baby, is not one of them. You are very good at making generalizations about me and my beliefs and whether I feel compassion or not. It is not an easy decision for women to decide to have an abortion. There are various reasons and none are our business.
Next up, requiring women to wear chasity belts.
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If only you here would show the same passion, really ANY compassion for the innocent babies in this question! Sorry, (not sorry) your death cult is being slightly disrupted.
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Really! How insulting to women and cruel.
For a good read the Atlantic Monthly has a good article on the underground movement women are forming about abortion.
This whole thing going on right now, pits women against women. It will be a battle.
And what sickos think a woman should have to bear the child of her rapist or incestious rapist? Hasn't the trauma of rape or incest been enough?
Oh, they must have been asking for it. These guys, yes these friggin old old men need to, well, I can think of a number of things that need to happen to them.
Great articles.
For a good read the Atlantic Monthly has a good article on the underground movement women are forming about abortion.
This whole thing going on right now, pits women against women. It will be a battle.
And what sickos think a woman should have to bear the child of her rapist or incestious rapist? Hasn't the trauma of rape or incest been enough?
Oh, they must have been asking for it. These guys, yes these friggin old old men need to, well, I can think of a number of things that need to happen to them.
Great articles.
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Punditry is pointing out that a week before 'the leak' of the draft there was an editorial in the WSJ that talked, pretty much out of the blue, about the case before the court to end Roe. It even broke down the scenario of how Roberts might be getting 'squishy' and how it would likely be Alito who would write the majority opinion. The same structure that this article used was also in another op ed, this one was when the ACA was before the court and in that circumstances Roberts sided in favor of keeping it.
Despite Ted Cruz talking into any microphone he can find that the leak is a liberal debacle and should be 'prosecuted' by DoJ, the leak to Politico of the actual draft is not a crime. In fact it is one of 3 leaks and maybe if we think about it, more than that.
Personally, I'm hoping Clarance Thomas gave a copy to Ginny but it's more likely that it was Alito.
Despite Ted Cruz talking into any microphone he can find that the leak is a liberal debacle and should be 'prosecuted' by DoJ, the leak to Politico of the actual draft is not a crime. In fact it is one of 3 leaks and maybe if we think about it, more than that.
Personally, I'm hoping Clarance Thomas gave a copy to Ginny but it's more likely that it was Alito.
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This whole thing can only be described as antediluvian or quite literally medieval.
Alito quoted prominent 17th-century jurist Sir Matthew Hale. Sir Matthew Hale, as well as being so informed on the topic of abortion, sentenced two witches to die.
https://jezebel.com/supreme-court-roe-v ... 1848872890
Alito quoted prominent 17th-century jurist Sir Matthew Hale. Sir Matthew Hale, as well as being so informed on the topic of abortion, sentenced two witches to die.
https://jezebel.com/supreme-court-roe-v ... 1848872890
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I'd give the link, but then the Times wants you to purchase it. So I copy and paste the articles quickly. Don't turn me in.
I think burner phones may become more popular. Perhaps buy stock in them. There may be no such thing as a right to privacy.
Your phone could reveal if you’ve had an abortion
May 5, 2022 at 2:00 am Updated May 5, 2022 at 2:03 am
By
Geoffrey A. Fowler
and
Tatum Hunter
The Washington Post
When someone gets an abortion, they may decide not to share information with friends and family members. But chances are their smartphone knows.
The leak of a Supreme Court draft opinion proposing to overturn Roe v. Wade raises a data privacy flash point: If abortion becomes criminal in some states, might a person’s data trail be treated as evidence?
There is precedent for it, and privacy advocates say data collection could become a major liability for people seeking abortions in secret. Phones can record communications, search histories, body health data and other information. Just Tuesday, there was new evidence that commercial data brokers sell location information gathered from the phones of people who visit abortion clinics.
“It is absolutely something to be concerned about — and something to learn about, hopefully before being in a crisis mode, where learning on the fly might be more difficult,” said Cynthia Conti-Cook, a technology fellow at the Ford Foundation.
It is now common for law enforcement to make use of the contents of people’s phones, including location and browsing information. One case against an alleged Jan. 6 insurrectionist drew upon thousands of pages of data from the suspect’s phone as well as Facebook records, prosecutors said.
A major data source is our digital surveillance economy — Facebook, Google and apps galore — in which companies track consumers to figure out how to sell to them. The data may change hands several times or seep into a broader marketplace run by data brokers. Such brokers can amass huge collections of information.
That data is an easy target for subpoenas, or court orders, and many tech companies do not give straight answers about what information they would be willing to hand over. Google, for one, reports that it received more than 40,000 subpoenas and search warrants in the United States in the first half of 2021.
Police and private citizens alike could buy data and use it to investigate suspected abortions. Phone location information has been used by activist groups to target ads at people in abortion clinics to try to dissuade them.
Crunching all that data isn’t easy, and law enforcement agencies have plenty of “lower-hanging fruit” to pursue, says Alan Butler, the executive director and president of the Electronic Privacy Information Center. Those more traditional methods include checking credit card records, collecting data from cellphone towers, and talking to friends and family members.
But it is tough to predict how restrictive state abortions laws would become if Roe v. Wade were overturned. “Even a search for information about a clinic could become illegal under some state laws, or an effort to travel to a clinic with an intent to obtain an abortion,” Butler said.
No matter what happens, the possibility of mass data-collection to enforce abortion bans will hang over the heads of people seeking abortions or helping others get them, said Nikolas Guggenberger, the executive director at the Yale Information Society Project. “People want to be on the safe side, so even if the law doesn’t apply to what they’re doing, it has a chilling effect,” he said.
A number of groups have published citizen guides to avoiding surveillance while seeking an abortion or reproductive health care. Those groups include the Digital Defense Fund, the Repro Legal Helpline and the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
Here are three potential contributors to the data trail on people seeking abortions — and how they might be used.
Location
Phones can collect precise information about your whereabouts – right down to the building – to power maps and other services. Sometimes, though, the fine print in app privacy policies gives companies the right to sell that information to other companies that can make it available to advertisers, or whoever wants to pay to obtain it.
On Tuesday, Vice’s Motherboard blog reported that for $160, it bought a week’s worth of data from a company called SafeGraph showing where people who visited more than 600 Planned Parenthood clinics came from and where they went afterward.
This kind of data could be used, for example, to identify clinics that provide abortions to people from out of state in places where that is illegal.
SafeGraph CEO Auren Hoffman told The Washington Post on Tuesday that his company was discussing whether to stop offering aggregated data on physical traffic to abortion providers. SafeGraph and companies like it do not usually sell the location information linked to names or phone numbers, although the company has come under fire from privacy advocates before and has changed some of its practices to make it harder to tie data to specific people.
“You can find someone to say they can de-anonymize the data, but if it could be done, someone would have written a paper by now,” Hoffman said.
But privacy watchdogs say you can learn a lot by connecting the dots on multiple places a single person has visited. For example, last year, a Catholic blog obtained location information originally generated by the dating app Grindr to out a priest as gay. Those behind the blog were able to infer that a person at a church-related location also was visiting gay bars.
Apple and Android phones offer settings to turn off location services for individual apps — or entirely for the phone. But doing so might prevent the operation of certain functions, such as transportation apps.
Search and chat histories
Searching for information about clinics and medications can leave a trail of records with Google, which in some cases saves queries to a user’s profile.
In 2017, prosecutors used internet searches for abortion drugs as evidence in a Mississippi woman’s trial for the death of her fetus. A grand jury ultimately decided not to pursue charges, according to National Advocates for Pregnant Women. And last year, the Supreme Court of Wisconsin decided that detectives did not violate the rights of the convicted murderer George Burch when, operating without a warrant, they accessed downloaded data from his phone, including his internet search history.
Private messages also can become evidence. In 2015, text messages about getting an abortion helped convict a woman of child neglect and feticide.
Reproductive health apps
Millions of people use apps to help track their menstrual cycles, logging and storing intimate data about their reproductive health. Because that data can reveal when periods, ovulation and pregnancy stops and starts, it could become evidence in states where abortion is criminalized.
There is evidence that these companies play fast and loose with privacy. In 2019, the period tracker Ovia got pushback for sharing aggregate data on some users’ family planning with their employers.
Last year, the Federal Trade Commission settled with the period-tracking app Flo after the app promised to keep users’ data private but then shared it with marketing firms including Facebook and Google.
A recent investigation by Consumer Reports found shortcomings in the way five popular period-tracking apps handle the sensitive user data, including sending it to third parties for targeted advertising.
How are the apps allowed to share such personal data? Our interactions with health-care providers are covered by a federal privacy law called the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, or HIPAA. However, period-tracking apps aren’t defined as covered entities, so they can legally share data.
I think burner phones may become more popular. Perhaps buy stock in them. There may be no such thing as a right to privacy.
Your phone could reveal if you’ve had an abortion
May 5, 2022 at 2:00 am Updated May 5, 2022 at 2:03 am
By
Geoffrey A. Fowler
and
Tatum Hunter
The Washington Post
When someone gets an abortion, they may decide not to share information with friends and family members. But chances are their smartphone knows.
The leak of a Supreme Court draft opinion proposing to overturn Roe v. Wade raises a data privacy flash point: If abortion becomes criminal in some states, might a person’s data trail be treated as evidence?
There is precedent for it, and privacy advocates say data collection could become a major liability for people seeking abortions in secret. Phones can record communications, search histories, body health data and other information. Just Tuesday, there was new evidence that commercial data brokers sell location information gathered from the phones of people who visit abortion clinics.
“It is absolutely something to be concerned about — and something to learn about, hopefully before being in a crisis mode, where learning on the fly might be more difficult,” said Cynthia Conti-Cook, a technology fellow at the Ford Foundation.
It is now common for law enforcement to make use of the contents of people’s phones, including location and browsing information. One case against an alleged Jan. 6 insurrectionist drew upon thousands of pages of data from the suspect’s phone as well as Facebook records, prosecutors said.
A major data source is our digital surveillance economy — Facebook, Google and apps galore — in which companies track consumers to figure out how to sell to them. The data may change hands several times or seep into a broader marketplace run by data brokers. Such brokers can amass huge collections of information.
That data is an easy target for subpoenas, or court orders, and many tech companies do not give straight answers about what information they would be willing to hand over. Google, for one, reports that it received more than 40,000 subpoenas and search warrants in the United States in the first half of 2021.
Police and private citizens alike could buy data and use it to investigate suspected abortions. Phone location information has been used by activist groups to target ads at people in abortion clinics to try to dissuade them.
Crunching all that data isn’t easy, and law enforcement agencies have plenty of “lower-hanging fruit” to pursue, says Alan Butler, the executive director and president of the Electronic Privacy Information Center. Those more traditional methods include checking credit card records, collecting data from cellphone towers, and talking to friends and family members.
But it is tough to predict how restrictive state abortions laws would become if Roe v. Wade were overturned. “Even a search for information about a clinic could become illegal under some state laws, or an effort to travel to a clinic with an intent to obtain an abortion,” Butler said.
No matter what happens, the possibility of mass data-collection to enforce abortion bans will hang over the heads of people seeking abortions or helping others get them, said Nikolas Guggenberger, the executive director at the Yale Information Society Project. “People want to be on the safe side, so even if the law doesn’t apply to what they’re doing, it has a chilling effect,” he said.
A number of groups have published citizen guides to avoiding surveillance while seeking an abortion or reproductive health care. Those groups include the Digital Defense Fund, the Repro Legal Helpline and the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
Here are three potential contributors to the data trail on people seeking abortions — and how they might be used.
Location
Phones can collect precise information about your whereabouts – right down to the building – to power maps and other services. Sometimes, though, the fine print in app privacy policies gives companies the right to sell that information to other companies that can make it available to advertisers, or whoever wants to pay to obtain it.
On Tuesday, Vice’s Motherboard blog reported that for $160, it bought a week’s worth of data from a company called SafeGraph showing where people who visited more than 600 Planned Parenthood clinics came from and where they went afterward.
This kind of data could be used, for example, to identify clinics that provide abortions to people from out of state in places where that is illegal.
SafeGraph CEO Auren Hoffman told The Washington Post on Tuesday that his company was discussing whether to stop offering aggregated data on physical traffic to abortion providers. SafeGraph and companies like it do not usually sell the location information linked to names or phone numbers, although the company has come under fire from privacy advocates before and has changed some of its practices to make it harder to tie data to specific people.
“You can find someone to say they can de-anonymize the data, but if it could be done, someone would have written a paper by now,” Hoffman said.
But privacy watchdogs say you can learn a lot by connecting the dots on multiple places a single person has visited. For example, last year, a Catholic blog obtained location information originally generated by the dating app Grindr to out a priest as gay. Those behind the blog were able to infer that a person at a church-related location also was visiting gay bars.
Apple and Android phones offer settings to turn off location services for individual apps — or entirely for the phone. But doing so might prevent the operation of certain functions, such as transportation apps.
Search and chat histories
Searching for information about clinics and medications can leave a trail of records with Google, which in some cases saves queries to a user’s profile.
In 2017, prosecutors used internet searches for abortion drugs as evidence in a Mississippi woman’s trial for the death of her fetus. A grand jury ultimately decided not to pursue charges, according to National Advocates for Pregnant Women. And last year, the Supreme Court of Wisconsin decided that detectives did not violate the rights of the convicted murderer George Burch when, operating without a warrant, they accessed downloaded data from his phone, including his internet search history.
Private messages also can become evidence. In 2015, text messages about getting an abortion helped convict a woman of child neglect and feticide.
Reproductive health apps
Millions of people use apps to help track their menstrual cycles, logging and storing intimate data about their reproductive health. Because that data can reveal when periods, ovulation and pregnancy stops and starts, it could become evidence in states where abortion is criminalized.
There is evidence that these companies play fast and loose with privacy. In 2019, the period tracker Ovia got pushback for sharing aggregate data on some users’ family planning with their employers.
Last year, the Federal Trade Commission settled with the period-tracking app Flo after the app promised to keep users’ data private but then shared it with marketing firms including Facebook and Google.
A recent investigation by Consumer Reports found shortcomings in the way five popular period-tracking apps handle the sensitive user data, including sending it to third parties for targeted advertising.
How are the apps allowed to share such personal data? Our interactions with health-care providers are covered by a federal privacy law called the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, or HIPAA. However, period-tracking apps aren’t defined as covered entities, so they can legally share data.
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Given that 70 to 80 percent of voters nationwide support safe and legal access to abortion, it seems that this problem can be solved at the ballot box.
Putting Republicans out into the wilderness for 15 or 20 years would correct this problem.
Putting Republicans out into the wilderness for 15 or 20 years would correct this problem.
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Trevor Noah nails it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Nr65lc1ys8
Funny but not.
I like that it is suggested that women take the rest of the week off. What a wonderful thing that would be, to have crowd funding, so that women could be paid to go on strike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Nr65lc1ys8
Funny but not.
I like that it is suggested that women take the rest of the week off. What a wonderful thing that would be, to have crowd funding, so that women could be paid to go on strike.
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