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Republicans now claiming that the problem with the baby formula shortage can be fixed by just denying the babies of immigrant mothers at the border any formula...

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05 ... ant-babies

What happened to protecting the life of the innocent?
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Ken, Pete knows where babies come from and I thought he pointed out some things about why a woman would possibly choose to abort that late. As in saving her life, etc.
In your opinion he is failing and I sense you don't care for men being gay.
In my opinion I am glad he is talking about it. I certainly didn't indicate men shouldn't talk about this. Oh, yes they should. It takes them to make a woman pregnant. Well, almost. There are ways a woman doesn't need a man for that, just his sperm.
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Did someone post about an ectopic pregnancy? What is the ruling on that, I wonder. It's a fertilized egg stuck in the ovary or fallopian tube. That is certainly not a viable living space for a zygote, let alone a baby. Both the mother and baby would die if that is not taken care of.
Another item not thought out by the majority of the men. They may not even be aware of that kind of pregnancy. So, that shows me it is about control.
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I thought men were not to be listened to about this issue? So you pick the gay failed mayor of south bend who is also failing at his current job and probably has no idea were babies come from with his gay husband? Weird!
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Heather Cox Richardson: the bigger picture

That Republicans appear to be on the cusp of overturning the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision legalizing abortion seems to have thrown them into confusion. Since Nixon first raised the issue of abortion as a political wedge in 1972, the year before Roe (recall that Nixon characterized 1972 Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern as the candidate of “acid, amnesty, and abortion”), they have used the issue to raise money and turn out voters. But now, with the prize seemingly within reach, they are ratcheting up their demands, at least in part to continue to raise money and to turn out voters. They also need to re-create their sense of grievance against the “libs” they have just “owned.”

With the overturning of Roe v. Wade seemingly on the horizon, right-wing lawmakers are now escalating their attacks on national policies their base voters oppose. This means, for example, that Arkansas governor Asa Hutchinson and Mississippi governor Tate Reeves are standing behind the “trigger laws” they have signed to take effect as soon as the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, laws that outlaw abortion with no exceptions for rape or incest. Other lawmakers are suggesting they are willing to outlaw contraception, and pharmacists in Texas are already refusing to fill prescriptions for medications commonly prescribed for miscarriages and ectopic pregnancies.

And for all that ending Roe was supposed to turn the issue of abortion over to the states to decide as they wished, there is now talk of advancing a national ban on abortion so that states could not, in fact, choose to protect abortion rights.

Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) is backing federal legislation to punish corporations who pay to fly their employees to different states for abortion care and gender-affirming care for their children. “Our tax code should be pro-family and promote a culture of life,” Rubio said. “Instead, too often our corporations find loopholes to subsidize the murder of unborn babies or horrific ‘medical’ treatments on kids. My bill would make sure this does not happen.”

In Michigan, Republican Ryan Kelley, who is running for governor, has openly attacked the idea of democracy. “Socialism—it starts with democracy,” he said. “That’s the ticket for the left. They want to push this idea of democracy, which turns into socialism, which turns into communism in every instance.” Kelley’s distinction between “democracy” and a “constitutional republic” is drawn from the John Birch Society in the 1960s, which used that distinction to oppose the idea of one person, one vote, that supported Black voting.

In turn, the Birchers drew from the arguments of white supremacists during Reconstruction after the Civil War, who warned that Black voters would elect leaders who promised them roads, and schools, and hospitals. These benefits would cost tax dollars that in the postwar South would have to be paid largely by white landowners. Thus, white voters insisted, Black voting would lead to a redistribution of wealth; by 1871, they insisted it was essentially “socialism.”

That context explains Kelley’s insistence that “we truly are losing our country to the radical left.” But the argument is not only racial and economic. American evangelicals are converting to the Russian Orthodox Church out of support for its nativism, white nationalism, rejection of LGBTQ rights and abortion, and support for authoritarian Russian president Vladimir Putin. Like him, they object to the diversity inherent in democracy.

Journalists for Business Insider ran the numbers and found that 84% of the state lawmakers who have sponsored trigger laws are men, five states had no women sponsors for trigger laws, all but one of the 13 governors who have signed trigger laws are men, and 91% of the senators who confirmed the antiabortion majority on the Supreme Court are men. These men are overwhelmingly Republican: 86% of the trigger law sponsors were Republican, all of the antiabortion justices were nominated by Republicans, and 94% of the senators who voted to confirm the antiabortion justices were Republicans.

At the same time that a small minority is imposing its will on the majority of Americans, Republicans are insisting they, not those who are losing their rights, are the victims.

When the draft first leaked, there was outrage across the right as people jumped to the conclusion that the draft had leaked from the office of a liberal justice. A Newsmax host even claimed that newly confirmed Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson had leaked the draft, although she will not take a place on the court until Justice Stephen Breyer steps down.

There are almost none of those accusations now, since leaks have continued, and they are clearly coming not from the offices of the liberal justices, but from the right-wing justices. On May 7, a Washington Post story had several comments about ongoing deliberations reported by “conservatives close to the court.” Law professor and legal analyst Steve Vladeck called such sievelike behavior “stunning.”

Now the argument that Republicans are victims centers around the protests over the draft decision, some of which have taken place in front of the homes of the Supreme Court justices. The protests have been peaceful in reality, but the right wing has portrayed them as violent—so violent, in fact, that Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) compared them unfavorably with the events of January 6, which, in his rewriting of history, he claimed were peaceful. The rumor—unsourced, and later proved false—that Justice Samuel Alito, the author of the draft decision, had to be moved to an undisclosed location swept right-wing media.

Portraying the Republicans as victims of a mob reached ridiculous proportions when Senator Susan Collins (R-ME) called the police Saturday night because someone had written in chalk on the sidewalk in front of her home in Bangor: “Susie, please, Mainers want WHPA→ vote yes, clean up your mess.” WHPA, the Women’s Health Protection Act, is a bill that would protect abortion rights and block medically unnecessary restrictions and bans on the procedure.

Collins cast a deciding vote to confirm Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court, stating she was confident he would not overturn Roe v. Wade. Collins says she will vote against WHPA because she believes it goes too far.

The apparent outrage over protests in the wake of the leaked draft decision seems disingenuous considering the violence of antiabortion activists, who have burned down clinics, murdered abortion providers, and continue to accost patients at clinics. Indeed, the Supreme Court struck down a law creating a buffer zone around clinics to stop harassment of patients on the grounds that such protest was free speech covered by the First Amendment. More generally, there has been little concern from Republicans about the armed protests that have taken place over vaccine and mask mandates and over the alleged teaching of Critical Race Theory during the past two years.

When a reporter asked Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) if he was “comfortable with the protests that we saw outside the homes of Supreme Court justices,” Schumer answered that he is, so long as they are peaceful. “Yes. My house, there’s protests three, four times a week outside. That’s the American way to peacefully protest... [his phone rings]...that’s my wife. Maybe there’s a protest outside.”

With all this going on, Americans’ confidence in the Supreme Court has collapsed since Trump packed it with a 6–3 right-wing majority. Half of U.S. voters and 53% of Americans in general now have little to no confidence in the court.
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Abortion is not the 'leading cause of death'.

In the US, the leading causes of death are:

Heart disease: 696,962
Cancer: 602,350
COVID-19: 350,831
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 200,955
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 160,264
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 152,657
Alzheimer’s disease: 134,242
Diabetes: 102,188
Influenza and pneumonia: 53,544
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 52,547

You cannot equate the number of abortions performed annually to any of these because a lumped together number does not segregate abortions on fetuses who are dead within the womb or are not viable.
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Call it a temper tantrum or whatever you will. You are darn right women and we who believe in choice are, just I guess, "acting out" and being pissey about it aren't we? "Some reduction to the convenience of abortion". Some, some. Not being able to have access to any abortion at all, even in cases of rape and incest. Yeah, let's reduce that, huh.
No, you don't get it.
And I will bring up "forced" mask wearing. Not wearing a mask when you may have Covid, could possibly kill someone. But you whined about wearing a piece of paper over your face, but you didn't think of the repercussions, did you? You only thought about yourself. If you had Covid, and didn't wear a mask, you could come in contact with a child and give it to them, or a pregnant woman and give it to her and if she became ill enough, she might lose the baby. You think about that.

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-shee ... l/abortion
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What I “get” is you all are throwing temper tantrums and inventing ridiculous ‘equity’ plans like 5 year olds because this issue isn’t accepted the way it once was. The greatest cause of death worldwide is abortion and it’s victims are completely innocent, some reduction to convenience abortions is not unreasonable.
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So, if the woman gets raped by a man with a vasectomy, she would only be the victim once, not twice and subject to more trauma.
For in a state, that says no abortions, no matter what, she would be a rape victim and a victim of a forced birth by her frigging rapist.
Do you get that Ken?
And these rulings are an attack on women in general. They want to "punish" women for doing the naughty, I guess. I believe women were told to keep an aspirin between their knees at one point? Anyone know which man, yes a man, said that?
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We’ve found no common ground, but you’ve shown your depravity! Under your scenario woman will still be raped just not become pregnant, you’re not real smart.
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No offense to pregnant women, but Ted Cruz already looks pregnant.
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But calling for castration needs no edit? Interesting.
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You might want to edit your last comment.
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Better yet, just kill those ‘wrong’ thinkers! Problem solved, who were the Nazi’s again?!
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Thanks for the stats here, Mickey.
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btw, Trump's accomplishments are really anything to brag about. The only President to be impeached two times comes first to mind

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It's hard to follow a doctor's advice when you have no health insurance which Trump's republicans made sure was harder to get. Lots of promises year after year but no replacement plan ever came to the floor for a vote.
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No, poor health and unwillingness to follow Drs prescriptions tends to lead to poor outcomes in most all medicine. The biggest problem, largely unique to America is obesity and is very problematic to childbirth.
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Thoughts on Trump's authoritarianism https://www.vox.com/22225472/fascism-de ... t-examples

So, it's the women's fault that they die in childbirth?
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The US maternity mortality rate is largely due to poor nutrition and activities by mothers here (maybe because we de-value life) and would be turned around by following proper nutrition, pre-natal and lifestyle choices well known and recommended by all Obstetricians. Just getting our Obesity rates down by half would create huge benefits for all health issues and mortalities!
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You guys have made absolutely no connection between Trump and fascist totalitarians, you just really don’t like him. I don’t care for many of his stylings and performances but his effectiveness in office, policies and instincts were undeniably right on. Show me Trump’s ‘ Mein Kampf’ and I’ll take a look otherwise you all just seem to be desperate to cling to power knowing your policies and positions are largely unpopular and proving unworkable.
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'The US has the highest maternal mortality rate of any high resource country-and it is the only country outside Afghanistan and Sudan where the rate is rising. Black women are 3x more likely to die in childbirth than white women in America.

https://www.mom-congress.com/our-issues ... 48QAvD_BwE

'It is still safer to become pregnant and give birth in the United States than in most other countries, but we are far from being a world leader in this area of women’s health. According to the WHO report, for every 100,000 births in the United States, 28 women die, a number that has increased by more than 136 percent since 1990, when 12 women died for every 100,000 births.'
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Ken, please do listen to Mickey and read the link. As Dan Newhouse is known to do in his weekly newsletter, he lumps any Democrat, as far or extreme leftist, to incite his following, to condemn us. The very thing Trump and Hiltler, Putin want is facism. Their following are not cognizant to realize that they will be oppressed too.
I told a friend that the Supreme Court justices lied in their confirmation hearings. She said so what. I think she meant, they lie to get confirmed and we can't do anything about it, except, after I am long gone, maybe they will limit their terms. Our Supreme Court lost it's integrity in my mind.
All according to plan. Huh.
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You are for life, but Alito's opinion does not make exception for the life of the mother, nor does the Mississippi law and those that follow its outlines. Women will die if this opinion is accepted.
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