History of Fauci and PCR test (Beware - use your own due diligence)

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It is fairly well understood in human psychology that you're not going to get through to people like Woodman. He's going to believe what he wants to believe.

Its kind of insanity to kept trying. With that said, its important to fact check the BS coming out of the disinformation machine which Woodman is now a part of.

There are people who can still benefit, do their own research and learning and check with their own Physicians for medical advise.

So carry on and watch out for Expressing an opinion that you can't back with a fact. Also watch out for divisive language that alienates a large number of people. Not helpful at all.

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mister_coffee wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:06 am

What I just can't figure out is that a lot of people have done a complete 180 intellectually.

What I mean by that is that a lot of people I know personally who would never wear a mask, never get the COVID vaccine, and who insist I should not "live in fear" were the same people who were freaked out about catching HIV from a mosquito bite or who would never "take any chances" with a generally minor infection like giardia.

I have been able to disprove theories about other viruses that have had a profound effect on human behavior, and this is the point of view that has formed my current views on Covid. I believe that to separate viruses according to the alledged abilities that they have to infect in different ways is really misleading. A so-called virus is not really alive. It has no central nervous system. A virus has never been seen to move. It does not have the ability to plan an attack. When I have taken more of a big picture look, and what other factors contribute to disease I find myself aligned with terrain theory. Take the analogy of a dolphin or a goldfish that has developed a sickness. What is the first thing you are going to think about as being the cause? You are not going to conclude that the problem is a virus or a bacteria. The first thing you would do is consider the environment. You would consider changing the water if it is the goldfish, not giving a medicine to the goldfish.

I do believe that Wuhan,China being a highly polluted city, and obviously a challenging environment to the respiratory system is an important factor to consider when we observed that the incidence of respiratory diseases decreased markedly during their extreme shutdown in which the air was cleared long enough to affect their health, and in fact according to my interpretation of the graph, it seems clear that China as a nation actually had less mortality in 2020 and 2021 than what was expected compared to previous years. That is quite remarkable, and can only be explained by lowered pollution levels in Wuhan which was ground zero.

I believe you can blame Fauci for fear mongering an unreal fear about HIV transmission. Fear mongering over unproven transmission through sexual contact was bad, but Fauci expanded the fear on the american public when he said that it was likely that HIV could be transmitted through means other than sexual contact. This was broadcast to the US, although as far as I'm concerned his motivation was really as a bureaucrat to get the attention of as many people across the demographic, and then the funding follows, but his statements were not guided by proper studies. I was not personally fear mongered by these events in the '80's, but I did have a girlfriend around 1992 who's brother died from AIDS. I knew him well enough to know that he was fear mongered to believe the only answer was drugs, and he suffered unnecessarily.

As far as believing that you can get a virus from a mosquito bite, I challenge you to look into the supposed Zika virus in Brazil that affected the 2016 Olympics to the point that some athletes were fearful, and backed out. The symptomology had nothing to do with a mosquito. Once again, the establishment puts the blame on another species. I have discovered that the real reason for encephalitis in newborn babies in Brazil around that time was due to the fact that the previous year the government had required pregnant women to get a vaxx, and this was the reason for the birth defects, not a mosquito. It makes me wonder about other so-called viruses that are blamed on swine, birds, etc.. I would check out what Forrest Maready has to say about these things.

I just watched this video featuring Dr. Robert Young who has a very interesting insight. I was not familiar with him until today, and I enjoyed what he had to say...

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/hidden-s ... ygae7.html

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I have been able to disprove theories about other viruses that have had a profound effect on human behavior, and this is the point of view that has formed my current views on Covid.

Ha Ha... disprove to who??? Do not think you have disproved anything with your fake science web links... Just saying... :-)

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Your 'doctor' Robert Young is a doozy. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38650739

And the 'terrain theory'? Really?

Oh, and Andrew Kaufman is a spectacular grifter. I actually thought this was an interesting article on him.
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid ... es-reality

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Rideback wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 7:31 pm

Your 'doctor' Robert Young is a doozy. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38650739

And the 'terrain theory'? Really?

Oh, and Andrew Kaufman is a spectacular grifter. I actually thought this was an interesting article on him.
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid ... es-reality

This is definitely a transitional time period for science. DR Andrew Kaufman co-produced a film. You can watch The World Premiere free of charge through Sunday because of overwhelming demand. This is a terrain breaking film on this controversial topic, so this is a time to truly get educated on what the terrain is all about...

terrainthefilm.com

Also, I clicked on your link, and the critical article mentions something about the appendix. I don't really know what the role of the appendix is in the human body, although according to terrain theory you would consider upstream causes of disease instead of just removing the diseased tissue. I am quite certain that the tonsils play an important role in the immune system, but apparently quite a few children back in the '60's had their tonsils removed, and it apparently was thought to be of no value, so if it is inflamed (because there is some imbalance), it is removed due to infection (although the bacteria infestation is only there due to another cause). Just as we all have streptococcus bacteria, but it only gets inflamed when there is a causal factor in the environment, and bacteria is not the cause, but the bacteria is there to clean up already diseased tissue. Many people these days, even young people in their 20's, have had their thyroid removed, or part of it removed, but there are upstream causes of thyroid disease that, if addressed, will heal the thyroid, and help to avoid surgery, and hormone replacement medication.

As you already know, the idea of terrain theory is that a "virus" or a "bacteria" is endogenously created meaning that the symptoms arise from within the cells of the body like a form of housecleaning of the intercellular material. An exosome is produced within the cell. Pleomorphism is a more in depth description of what is observed in electron microscopy within the cell when it is under stress.. According to terrain theory, you can't catch a cold, but the symptoms of a cold are as a result of endogenous housecleaning.

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From my link on Kaufman:
'Dr. Andrew Kaufman rose to fame in the early days of the pandemic by claiming that what scientists were actually seeing with their electron microscopes was not a new coronavirus but rather exosomes. This story is quite interesting as it reveals a common tactic Kaufman uses. In building a bridge between an observation and a conclusion he likes, he will often use valid science to lay down a number of planks. When that bridge is almost complete, he runs out of planks and takes a leap of faith, but that leap may only be noticeable by an expert. Going back to exosomes, most of what Kaufman says is true. Our body is made of cells, and you can imagine a cell like a soap bubble. An exosome is a tiny bubble that buds off from that soap bubble and starts floating around, maybe eventually fusing with another soap bubble.

These exosomes can carry payloads, like genetic material, and act as transporters inside our body, and they do look an awful lot like many viruses. In fact, sometimes a virus will infect a cell and an exosome containing the virus’ genetic material will bud off and go on to infect another cell, just like a viral particle would! But here we reach the end of our bridge. Two scientific experts discussed this issue in a YouTube video and concluded that “clearly, there are similarities between exosomes and the coronavirus but they are absolutely different in many aspects.” Kaufman takes a leap and claims the virus does not exist. It’s all exosomes.

In fact, Kaufman loves to mention that doctors who claim to have found an infectious virus have never been able to fulfill Koch’s hallowed postulates. A brief history lesson is warranted. Microbiologist Robert Koch stated during the Victorian era (just before we even really knew what DNA and viruses were) that to prove that a microbe caused disease, you needed to isolate it from living things with the disease and not find it in living things without the disease. And if you took it from a living thing that had it and gave it to a living thing that did not, it should produce disease and you should be able to then isolate this microbe within it. So if scientists have not done this with a particular virus, it gives license to people like Kaufman to claim that we just don’t know.

The problem is that Koch himself realized that requiring his postulates to be fulfilled each and every time was mistaken. He noticed people who were carriers of typhoid fever and of cholera who did not have symptoms. They had the infectious agent but not the disease. Was it proof these microbes did not after all cause the disease? No. Koch’s postulates are historically interesting, but they have essentially been supplanted by guidelines based on the detection of DNA or RNA from the microbe itself.'

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Rideback wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:09 am

So, you are using the words of an annonymous blogger to form an opinion rather than look at the quotes from his employers for the last 54 years, amazing, so did you see that Fauci actually doesn't just treat patients on a regular basis to this day but that he also treated Ebola patients personally? You are so bent on your opinion that you can't even recognize the common sense of not believing in grifters, like Dr. Oz.

'However, in a statement emailed to FactCheck.org, the NIAID rebutted Oz’s claims about Fauci.

“Dr. Fauci is currently a senior attending physician at the National Institutes of Health Clinical Center where he has been seeing patients continually for the past 54 years since his infectious diseases fellowship that began in 1968,” the NIAID said. “He has seen, consulted on and/or personally taken care of literally thousands of patients over the years at the NIH Clinical Center. He has never stopped seeing patients, and he still makes regular Clinical Rounds at the NIH Clinical Center, including COVID-19 patients.”

“He is not just a ‘virologist,'” the NIAID statement continued. “[R]ather he is an immunologist/infectious diseases expert who is board certified by the American Board of Internal Medicine, the American Board of Infectious Diseases and the American Board of Allergy and Immunology. He is internationally recognized for his basic and clinical research contributions to HIV and other areas of human health.”

Dr. Fauci walks with his arm around Nina Pham, a nurse who was successfully treated at the NIH’s Clinical Center after being infected with Ebola in 2014. Photo by Alex Wong/Getty Images.
Fauci has previously talked about making time to treat patients, including in a November 2020 interview with the HuffPost. He said that his long workday on Thanksgiving eve that year included many meetings and press interviews, but also making rounds at the NIH Clinical Center in Bethesda, Maryland, to see “two very seriously ill COVID patients.”

When Economic Club of Washington, D.C., President David Rubenstein asked Fauci in a January 2021 interview why he was still seeing patients, Fauci said it was because it is part of who he is as a physician.

“I see patients, David, because my identity, my primary identity, is as a physician and that really informs and influences everything that I do,” Fauci explained. “My public health work, my basic scientific work, the kinds of things I do in response as a public health person to an outbreak — whether that’s HIV/AIDS or Ebola or Zika or in this case, COVID-19 — everything evolves back to my identity as a physician. So, I don’t ever want to lose that strong identity.”

“It really connects you with the reality of what you’re dealing with,” Fauci went on to say. “So, when I start talking about the disease, what it can do, what you can do to prevent getting it, why vaccines are important, the very fact that you’re dealing with a real human being who’s suffering from the disease gives you a perspective that you can’t get by reading about it.”

You may be correct about Fauci, but on a recent video, Del Bigtree claimed that Fauci never saw patients, and Del has a huge following. He may not have done his research on that, but he used to be the Producer of "The Doctors" tv program. I do know there was a lot of fear mongering around Ebola, but patient zero, who I think came to the US from Africa did not spread the disease like all the hype led us to believe. I think this one person was the only person to die from Ebola, so to call it a contagious disease is laughable like everything else. OJ Simpson killed twice as many people as Ebola did. That's spectacular!

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woodman wrote: Fri Feb 18, 2022 7:11 pm
Rideback wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 7:31 pm

Your 'doctor' Robert Young is a doozy. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38650739

And the 'terrain theory'? Really?

Oh, and Andrew Kaufman is a spectacular grifter. I actually thought this was an interesting article on him.
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid ... es-reality

This is definitely a transitional time period for science. DR Andrew Kaufman co-produced a film. You can watch The World Premiere free of charge through Sunday because of overwhelming demand. This is a terrain breaking film on this controversial topic, so this is a time to truly get educated on what the terrain is all about...

terrainthefilm.com The feature presentation begins at 3:03:00.

Also, I clicked on your link, and the critical article mentions something about the appendix. I don't really know what the role of the appendix is in the human body, although according to terrain theory you would consider upstream causes of disease instead of just removing the diseased tissue. I am quite certain that the tonsils play an important role in the immune system, but apparently quite a few children back in the '60's had their tonsils removed, and it apparently was thought to be of no value, so if it is inflamed (because there is some imbalance), it is removed due to infection (although the bacteria infestation is only there due to another cause). Just as we all have streptococcus bacteria, but it only gets inflamed when there is a causal factor in the environment, and bacteria is not the cause, but the bacteria is there to clean up already diseased tissue. Many people these days, even young people in their 20's, have had their thyroid removed, or part of it removed, but there are upstream causes of thyroid disease that, if addressed, will heal the thyroid, and help to avoid surgery, and hormone replacement medication.

As you already know, the idea of terrain theory is that a "virus" or a "bacteria" is endogenously created meaning that the symptoms arise from within the cells of the body like a form of housecleaning of the intercellular material. An exosome is produced within the cell. Pleomorphism is a more in depth description of what is observed in electron microscopy within the cell when it is under stress.. According to terrain theory, you can't catch a cold, but the symptoms of a cold are as a result of endogenous housecleaning.

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This is definitely a transitional time period for science. DR Andrew Kaufman co-produced a film. You can watch The World Premiere free of charge through Sunday because of overwhelming demand. This is a terrain breaking film on this controversial topic, so this is a time to truly get educated on what the terrain is all about...

Sorry Brad... I do not consider your quacks with their fake science causing any transition. Maybe start looking for real scientists with bonafide data for your arguments... Otherwise this is just all a waste of bandwidth...

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Doesn't 'The Doctors' TV show just try to sell wrinkle removers and hair grow products?

Brad probably believes that Del has products that could grow hair on a bowling ball... :-)

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Mickey M. wrote: Sat Feb 19, 2022 11:28 am
pasayten wrote: Sat Feb 19, 2022 11:16 am

Doesn't 'The Doctors' TV show just try to sell wrinkle removers and hair grow products?

Brad probably believes that Del has products that could grow hair on a bowling ball... :-)

he really needs to take a look at how he is being duped.

Pearl debunked his whole reported HIV vs masks misinfo by pointing out that HIV is not an airborne virus.That took one sentence.

Now he considers a TV show producer selling snake oil to wrinkled bald people credible simply because he has a lot of followers.

They have him believing that facts don't exist. He seems to be intelligent and articulate but for some reason these conspiracy theories speak to him.

Brad, you need to unplug for a while. Break the connection (addiction) and let your brain function as it should. See brain plasticity.

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I have to pick and choose my battles. I'm not going to get stuck in the weeds over whether HIV has special characteristics since if Pearl was really paying attention to what I have been sharing she might have realized that the "HIV" virus has never been isolated, so how can we have an intelligent discussion over a non-existent virus. Perhaps the correct thing to say is that the establishment scientists say that HIV is not a respiratory virus. There is a lot to untangle before we can have a productive conversation. Pearl does not understand that HIV is not the cause of AIDS, and that AIDS was not a new disease, but it was a new diagnosis of a a whole list of age old diseases, and the people who got these age old diseases without a positive HIV test would get treated according to age old protocols, but those people who had the exact same set of symptoms, but happened to test positive on a completely nonsensical HIV test were given a different protocol because even though they had age old symptoms, suddenly they were given an HIV diagnosis, and given a treatment for HIV, so like I said there is a lot to unravel for us to have a productive conversation. I believe that the symptoms being observed to be SARS Cov.2 are endogenously created as I believe it is the same for every other virus, so from my point of view the whole mask thing is absurd in any setting as long as there are no toxic vectors. If I believe the symptoms that cause a cold arise from within the cell rather than from the breath of another person, but Pearl believes you catch a cold from a virus outside yourself then we can't really have a productive discussion. From my point of view, the hospitals that have required nurses to mask up for their 12 hour shift if they don't get the Flu shot is abuse, and designed to intimidate that group, and it creates division. Also, it creates "theater" that is not science based. The other thing is that when you eliminate a substantial control group by restricting their air, it takes away the chance to observe how the vaxxed group really does compared to a non-vaxxed group without the masks.

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Pearl this and Pearl that. What are age old symptoms? Please define in a couple of sentences. Also, since I am a complete ignoramus who does not listen to TV show producers, why don't you go tell all of the people that have loved ones that have died of AIDS and all of the 900,000 plus that have died from Covid, these things. They really need to know this.
Damn straight I don't want to have a productive discussion with you as you have to be right all the time. You have a right to your beliefs but they are not science based. I merely pointed out that HIV is not transmitted by air and that is a fact.
Pull your head out as Micky and Pasayten have suggested.

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Yes, HIV has most definitely been isolated. Please do yourself a favor and quit watching the grifters.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10 ... 00193/full

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... -and-aids/

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I have to pick and choose my battles. I'm not going to get stuck in the weeds over whether HIV has special characteristics since if Pearl was really paying attention to what I have been sharing she might have realized that the "HIV" virus has never been isolated, so how can we have an intelligent discussion over a non-existent virus.

It is hard to have an intelligent conversation with one stuck so far out in the weeds with his quacks and voodoo science that no real intelligent discussion can happen... Folks are trying... They really are...

P.S. "voodoo" adjective from Reagan era... :-)

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PAL wrote: Sat Feb 19, 2022 7:27 pm

Pearl this and Pearl that. What are age old symptoms? Please define in a couple of sentences. Also, since I am a complete ignoramus who does not listen to TV show producers, why don't you go tell all of the people that have loved ones that have died of AIDS and all of the 900,000 plus that have died from Covid, these things. They really need to know this.
Damn straight I don't want to have a productive discussion with you as you have to be right all the time. You have a right to your beliefs but they are not science based. I merely pointed out that HIV is not transmitted by air and that is a fact.
Pull your head out as Micky and Pasayten have suggested.

I guess you have to use science that I can understand to prove that SARS Cov.2 is actually transmitted through the air. There is no reason to be irritated by dissenting points of view. I'm being respectful, and staying in my lane. I'm not an outlier or a lonewolf here, although it may seem like it. From my point of view it is the side that you are on that lacks the science, and that is why they promote censorship. Come on...why should anybody be threatened by Joe Rogan? People like me would disappear if the science that you support was solid. I'm not doing this just to be a dissenter, or a denialist. I applaud Ray for not censoring points of view such as mine, and although you think it is not a good thing, I strongly believe that it is important. Afer all, you can just see what I type as just words on a page, and not pay any attention to it.

I'm going to try to not be so verbose, and be more thoughtful in my words to get to the point. From my independent research on what has been termed the HIV/AIDS epidemic that began in the early '80's, HIV/AIDS diagnosis was just a rebranding of around 30 previously very common diseases when these diseases are present and that patient also tested positive on the test for HIV. So, patient A and patient B have virtually the same diseases presented to the doctor except person B tests positive for HIV, and even though both people have the same symptoms of disease, patient B gets the HIV treatment protocol, and person A gets the protocol that doctors have always used previously, although IMO, the HIV diagnosis is not the actual cause of the disease in patient B. Patient B suffered a worse outcome due to AZT which is the most toxic drug ever used, and patient A had a much different outcome. The doctor would blame the worsening condition of patient B on the ravages of AIDS caused by HIV, when as far as I'm concerned, the AZT was the cause of the AIDS. I'm glad that AZT is no longer used today.

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Rideback wrote: Sat Feb 19, 2022 7:29 pm

Yes, HIV has most definitely been isolated. Please do yourself a favor and quit watching the grifters.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10 ... 00193/full

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... -and-aids/

Are you sure that you know who the grifters are?

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woodman wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 3:43 pm

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Are you sure that you know who the grifters are?

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I'm pretty sure.

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mister_coffee wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 4:12 pm
woodman wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 3:43 pm

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Are you sure that you know who the grifters are?

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I'm pretty sure.

At the risk of triggering people in a negative way on this BB, I'm just going to say that what I believe we are witnessing is the failure of germ theory. The total response to these symptomologies has been based on germ theory. The theory was never proven or it would have been a "Proof" or "Postulate". Sometimes the truth is hiding in plain sight. I think the time is right to have these discussions. For some reason the rigorous debates that scientists used to welcome are not happening... The science is never settled. I've heard it said that in science the exception is the rule. In other words, if something doesn't fit in with your theory you should study why it doesn't fit.

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woodman wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 4:27 pm

... The theory was never proven or it would have been a "Proof" or "Postulate". ...

What I think I'm seeing here is somebody who is misunderstanding specific terminology used in a field by applying a lay persons definitions of that terminology.

Theories in science are not ever "proven".

Probably a good example is Maxwell's equations. Even when they were initially published most people in the field knew that wasn't the final story. It didn't prevent those equations from making some remarkable predictions that were exceedingly useful. The key point was that under nearly all practical circumstances the equations adequately (e.g. to the limits of measurement at the time) described what was going on. And that those equations could be used to build useful stuff. Again, even though both relativity and quantum theory have both gone much further and made some modest corrections to Maxwell's equations, electromagnets, capacitors, coils, transformers, dynamos, and electric motors all still work and for all practical purposes (unless you are using incredibly sensitive instruments) follow his equations.

You can make a similar argument about the theory of gravity. Even though both Newton's and Einstein's models of gravity have been shown to be incorrect under certain extreme circumstances, things will still fall if you let go of them in a gravitational field.

You don't even get the privilege of saying that Newton's theory of gravity is "wrong". However, you can probably say that Steady State Theory and Lamarckism were wrong.

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Koch's postulates from the 19th century were the test standards that were used to determine if there is a contagious pathogen that causes disease. Apparently the establishment scientists now say that Koch's postulates no longer apply for some reason. Basically if you take some fluid or tissue from a sick person who you want to determine if they carry a contagious disease, then you isolate that particle. and then place the isolate into the healthy person or animal, and if they get the disease, then you have proven that this particle caused the disease. Apparently these postulates have been scrapped completely, although there are a lot of scientists that say that Koch's postulates are valid.

I know that Dr Tom Cowan and a small team of scientists decided to do the same experiment that Dr John Enders used in 1954 that is the standard that has been used ever since in virology to isolate a virus, and Dr Cowan says that he was able to prove that the experiment from 1954 does not hold up to scientific scrutiny. He basically duplicated the experiment without adding the fluid from an "infected" host, but his team followed all the other steps, and they came up with the same results as John Enders did. They produced the same images that could be seen under electron microscopy WITHOUT including the blood cells from an "infected" host, which he says proves it was not a virus that was being seen in 1954, and in all experiments since then. They spent $42,000 to prove that what they see is not a virus. An infectious virus by definition comes from an infected host, but like I said he duplicated the results without an "infected" host.

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