Birx: Trump White House could have reduced COVID deaths by 30 to 40%

[mister_coffee]

.... The point of the deaths is a question of leadership and capability. If Biden is a unifier and competent to do the job why more deaths under his watch? ...

Deaths on January 20th, 2020 (7-day average): 0
Deaths on January 20th, 2021 (7-day average): 3015

Deaths on January 21st, 2021 (7-day average): 3138
Deaths on October 27th, 2021 (7-day average): 1355

So a fair reading of the data is that Biden inherited a death rate of over 3000 Americans per day (approximately on 9/11 every day) and has cut that death rate to 43% of the rate obtaining on his first day in office.

An analogy would be if a fire was started by an arsonist, and the first IC was incompetent and let the fire rage totally out of control. Then we replaced him with a new IC who inherited a complete sh*tshow and then the building burnt down. Was it the new IC's fault?

Also, your argument about obesity is silly. Even if you control for higher obesity rates death rates in the USA are extremely high compared to other civilized countries.

[dorankj]

We have tons of supplies for PPE, no known issue there since about July of ‘20. The point of the deaths is a question of leadership and capability. If Biden is a unifier and competent to do the job why more deaths under his watch? He and his Vice Pres disparaged and ridiculed the vax before getting elected so if they’re struggling to get confidence they really must look in the mirror. These mandates and orders obviously don’t work (not because of science) because this hasn’t been solved using those techniques. We are so far from “14 days to stop the curve” from Mar of ‘20! Finally, we probably have a disproportionate amount of deaths because we have a disproportionate amount of obesity. Other than age that seems to be the biggest risk factor to this particular disease but we just don’t want to talk about it, we also DO NOT treat people in the early stages of this with therapeutics. I just yesterday was talked to a local Covid positive patient who was rushed out the back door of a local clinic and told to go home and wait it out with no treatment whatsoever! He did fine but if he had gotten bad could have waited until it was too late to fix, these protocols MUST change. We must treat people who show any signs of problems early, once on a vent the outcome is usually dire.

[Fun CH]

So statements like "masks don't work" or "vaccines don't work" are merely exposing the abysmal ignorance of those who state them.

In order for a mask to work against a virus, it needs to be fitted properly and made out of a material that can actually effectively filter a virus such as one with a N95 rating or equivalent. A bandana is not an effective mask against a virus.

So it could be stated that a lot of masks don't work and as Ken stated, constantly touching them (also constantly taking them on and off) is not a mask safety protocol.

Other mask safety tips in link below such as trimming a beard.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... rings.html

The CDC is still saying to save N95 masks for health care workers. Is that mask shortage problem still not so solved? If so, there's no excuse for that IMO.

Ken I'm not understanding the importance of that whole which President had that most Covid deaths thing?

400,000 people died of Covid during the time of Trump out of a total 741,000 to date. And as Pearl pointed out, the overwhelming majority of recent Covid deaths are from people who haven't been vaccinated.

The US has 5% of the worlds population but 20% of the deaths from Covid.

[mister_coffee]

I don't know about the "tiny bit" of math...

Probability and statistics are pretty difficult for most humans to understand (which is why casinos make money). In fact, really really smart people make serious mistakes when interpreting probabilities all the time. This stuff is hard and our brains aren't wired to understand it.

Being able to throw a rock or ball and hit something, or even come close to hitting them, involve solving a complex and ugly set of differential equations. Yet most humans manage to master that skill as children.

A lot of things about probability aren't intuitive and combine in ways that aren't linear or at all obvious. It might well be that if masks and vaccines are only fifty percent effective that might translate into a far more than fifty percent reduction in cases. It also might be that the difference between an intervention that is eighty percent effective and one that is ninety percent effective produces no measurable change in the number of cases. That's how probabilities roll.

So statements like "masks don't work" or "vaccines don't work" are merely exposing the abysmal ignorance of those who state them.

[dorankj]

You are very much not correct about my position and POV, the ‘lockdowns’ we’re never real lockdowns and not effective in our society, hence they didn’t work to stop the spread. The ‘protocols’ were completely confused (Fauxci- no masks to triple masks, never a mandate to definitely a mandate) and therefore not followed and not effective ( the mask thing is ridiculous when you constantly touch them). Trump did get and recommended the vaccine and for vulnerable people who have no other option are wise (I’ve never advised that vulnerable people shouldn’t get it if desired). The mandates only showed up under Biden after he stated they were not legal for him to mandate! I’m seeing large numbers of people who are vaxed are getting ‘breakthrough’ cases which really lowers the support for it. My belief is that people who are likely to have trouble from COVID are probably going to have trouble and the vax probably improves their outcome (similar to the flu shot) and people likely to do ok will be ok whether they are vaxed or not. My personal risk is about.003 for my health and age so why the severe mandates and firings?

[PAL]

But Ken, wasn't the virus just getting started when Trump was around? It wasn't going full bore. Before Biden got in, it did start going full bore. The lockdowns started under Trump. Is that why less were dying? But then they had to be lifted eventually to keep our economy from totally tanking. People stopped following protocols near the end of the lockdown.
Trump himself said to get the vaccine. I heard and saw him say it. He said it won't hurt you. I'm not telling you to get it. But Trump did. But I'm making an assumption that you are a Trump supporter.
If you are saying facts are being twisted with Birx and Fauci, I saw the press conference that Trump was holding. This happened. Ain't no twisting about it.
Now you are saying, if I get this right, that the vaccine is killing people? Or you are saying despite the vax more people are dying? Again, virus was going and is still going strong in some places, like right chere in OK County. The stats in the hospital say that there are more unvaxxed people in the hsopital, the ICU and on ventilators than vaxed. How do you explain that?
You people-divisive. Yep.
Pearl

[dorankj]

Once again, MORE people have died under OBiden with a vax than under Trump when it was new and no vax until the end. You people are pretty ridiculous with your willful twisting of the facts!

[PAL]

I think it was Birx who cringed when Trump suggested trying bleach, that bleach could work possibly. Bleh!
And the hated Fauce raised his eyes heavenward.
Pearl

[mister_coffee]

Actual conversation I had here in the valley in 2019:

MS: What do you have against Trump, anyway?

ME: He is going to inevitably get a lot of people, including a lot of Americans, killed.

MS: Oh, that will never happen. How could that happen?

ME: There is going to eventually be some kind of unforeseen emergency. Rather than respond to it effectively he is going to blame everyone in sight and make it all about himself. That's how he rolls.

MS: What about Hunter Biden?

"MS" knows who he is.

[mister_coffee]

Well duh.

[pasayten]

Birx: Trump White House could have reduced COVID deaths by 30 to 40%
Axios: Erin Doherty

Deborah Birx, the White House COVID-19 response coordinator under former President Trump, told a House subcommittee this month that the Trump administration could have prevented tens of thousands of deaths during the early stages of the pandemic.

Driving the news: "I believe if we had fully implemented the mask mandates, the reduction in indoor dining ... and we had increased testing, that we probably could have decreased fatalities into the 30% less to 40% less range," Birx said in closed-door testimony to the Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis, according to excerpts provided by the panel.

Birx, during the testimony on Oct. 12 and 13, also said that the 2020 election "took people’s time away from and distracted them away from the pandemic, in my personal opinion."
What she's saying: Birx also criticized Scott Atlas, who was a member of Trump's COVID-19 task force, for encouraging people who were likely to have a mild or asymptomatic case to contract the virus.

"I was constantly raising the alert in the doctors’ meetings of the depth of my concern about Dr. Atlas’ position, Dr. Atlas’ access, Dr. Atlas’ theories and hypothesis, and the depths and breadths of my concern," Birx said.
In terms of mitigation efforts, Birx alleges that she "was very clear to the President in specifics of what I needed him to do," according to excerpts of the transcript.
Between the lines: The testimony conflicts with reporting about Birx's actions during the early stages of the pandemic, when she said to other White House officials that the pandemic was receding throughout April and May, according to the New York Times.

https://www.axios.com/birx-trump-covid- ... 40e5d.html