Who to Blame for Divided USA? Survey Says the News Media

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This article covers Anonymous sources and when it is or is not acceptable to use them.

When not to use them below.

https://www.ap.org/about/news-values-an ... %20manager.


"Anything in the AP news report that could reasonably be disputed should be attributed. We should give the full name of a source and as much information as needed to identify the source and explain why the person s credible.". "
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people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe a sensitive ongoing investigation."

That statement fries my A$$ If you are going to accuse someone of something be man/woman enough to own your accusation or suck it up buttercup and keep your mother shut
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Jingles wrote: Thu May 25, 2023 5:36 am Let's face facts very few if any news sources, be it video, audio or printed report just the 5 things journalist should cover when reporting, Who, What When, Where and How.without adding their personal opinions, or sensationalizing the event being reported on. The above 5 Rules of Reporting are one of the first things taught in Journalism 101
It goes beyond that when supposed reputable news papers and TV news report hearsay as if its fact.

Take this WP story that ABC reported on today citing the WP as its source.

It's all hearsay from unnamed sources which is not proper journalism, but it sells. This happens on the right also, but for both sides, these stories just confirm what they believe to be true so to them it is.

Headline:

"Trump workers moved Mar-a-Lago boxes a day before FBI came for documents"

"timing that investigators have come to view as suspicious and an indication of possible obstruction, according to people familiar with the matter."

"and his aides also allegedly carried out a “dress rehearsal” for moving sensitive papers even before his office received the May 2022 subpoena, according to the people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe a sensitive ongoing investigation."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... ar-a-lago/
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Let's face facts very few if any news sources, be it video, audio or printed report just the 5 things journalist should cover when reporting, Who, What When, Where and How.without adding their personal opinions, or sensationalizing the event being reported on. The above 5 Rules of Reporting are one of the first things taught in Journalism 101
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mister_coffee wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 1:05 pm Sometimes I guess "perception is reality". But this seems like the old story about divining the length of the Emperor's nose when nobody has actually seen the Emperor by taking the average of everyone's guess.

https://imaginatorium.org/stuff/nose.htm

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11718512
we of course know that perception may or may not be reality. A lot depends upon the objective information available and the knowledge to interpret that information while recognising that your bias is always in play trying to interfere with your objective analysis.

BC skiers have a saying, don't let your desire interfere with your objective analysis of the risk.
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Rideback wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 12:47 pm https://politicalwire.com/2023/05/22/cn ... fbclid=IwA
R07mVXOF5ieyRW5tUF1UIlXDKMX6ZiaPf5j-3U9aGLl9MCMM_QivQf1QGY

And today at the hearing Trump received the judge's order and acknowledged what it said: Reuters

'The primary purpose of Tuesday's hearing was for Merchan to officially advise Trump of an order restricting him from disclosing certain evidence to third parties, including news outlets and on social media. At the start of the hearing, Merchan asked Trump if he had a copy of the order.'

The courts are fed up with Trump's attacks.
well here is a good example of human factor bias at play without sufficient evidence or ignoring evidence to draw the conclusion, quote:

"The courts are fed up with Trump's attacks."

According to ABC news the judge ordered both sides to to refrain from "making inflammatory public comments". So not just Trump.

"President Donald Trump on Tuesday launched attacks on the Manhattan district attorney and judge overseeing his case -- despite the judge's request that both sides refrain from making inflammatory public comments."

And this is a fairly common practice and is done to ensure a fair trial.

"Gag orders — issued by a court, government, or private entity — require an individual to refrain from making public comments. Typically, judges issue injunctions barring trial participants — including attorneys, litigants, and witnesses — from discussing trial-related material outside the courtroom. In general, courts have held that gagging people involved in trials is more acceptable than similar orders issued against the press."

https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/ar ... gag-orders

So Rideback, do you see how your mental shortcut lead you to a biased conclusion? You projected your lack of objective reasoning to the "courts" motives for issuing a gag order, which you should now know is a common practice.

The courts are fed up? Is that all courts or just The NY court? Maybe they are, maybe they aren't but do you really know that your statement is truth? Did the judge or the court actually say they were fed up with Trump?

Perhaps you have more facts to share that I might not be aware of?
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Sometimes I guess "perception is reality". But this seems like the old story about divining the length of the Emperor's nose when nobody has actually seen the Emperor by taking the average of everyone's guess.

https://imaginatorium.org/stuff/nose.htm

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11718512
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https://politicalwire.com/2023/05/22/cn ... fbclid=IwA
R07mVXOF5ieyRW5tUF1UIlXDKMX6ZiaPf5j-3U9aGLl9MCMM_QivQf1QGY

And today at the hearing Trump received the judge's order and acknowledged what it said: Reuters

'The primary purpose of Tuesday's hearing was for Merchan to officially advise Trump of an order restricting him from disclosing certain evidence to third parties, including news outlets and on social media. At the start of the hearing, Merchan asked Trump if he had a copy of the order.'

The courts are fed up with Trump's attacks.
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This article talkes about "heuristics", ie, mental shortcuts, that many mountains Travelers are familiar with through the study of heuristic traps.

These human factor traps can lead a group or individual into a risky situation through subjective reasoning that overrides the act of objective reasoning which is critical to mitigate risk.

So why do we believe what the self-interest news media and politicians try to sell us on a daily basis as truth?

Why do we allow them divide us?

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/mis ... edia-brain

"A few simple tricks make fake news stories stick in the brain"

"That’s because we often rely on quick estimates to figure out whether something is true. These shortcuts, called heuristics, are often based on very simple patterns (SN: 9/20/14, p. 24). For instance, most information we come across in our daily lives is true. So when forced to guess, we often err on the side of believing."
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When I see political reporting based upon "unnamed sources" or "people familiar with the matter" presented as truth, I personally tend to be critical of that reporting as biased and feeding the division in this country.

From seeing what the exteme left and right posts here, I'd have to conclude that there is a strong market for anything Trump/Biden and they are consuming it as if allegations are truth. Maybe they are, may be they arent, but why amplify news media allegations on social media to further that divide?


https://timesofsandiego.com/business/20 ... ews-media/

"Who is to blame for our partisan, divided country? According to a survey of 20,000 people by Gallop and the Knight Foundation, 84 percent of Americans believe the news media is the cause."

"whopping 86 percent of Americans believe media outlets lean one way or another politically,"

"Americans think the media is pushing an agenda. Three in four people (74%) worry that owners of media companies are influencing coverage"

https://www.cjr.org/special_report/cove ... ection.php

"November 2017, the International Center for Journalists gave Fox News’s Chris Wallace an award for excellence in journalism. In his acceptance speech, he noted that President Trump’s attacks on the media threaten democracy, but then pivoted to scold his peers. “Even if Trump is trying to undermine the press for his own calculated reasons,” Wallace said, “when he talks about bias in the media—unfairness—I think he has a point.”
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