Trump was right, it was a Witch hunt:Durham Report

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Rideback wrote: Fri May 26, 2023 3:40 pm From the DoJ itself. The DoJ cannot prosecute a sitting president.
https://www.justice.gov/olc/opinion/sit ... rosecution
yes, that is well known. Barr, a sitting United States Attorney General, made his views well known. No collusion.

Do you think AG Garland is actually going to prosecute Trump on a charge of criminal conspiracy with Russia?

What do your unnamed familiar with the investigation who wish to remain anonymous sources say?
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From the DoJ itself. The DoJ cannot prosecute a sitting president.
https://www.justice.gov/olc/opinion/sit ... rosecution
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Rideback wrote: Fri May 26, 2023 9:52 am Sadly, you just fail again to comprehend that EmptyWheel pieces are not in any way shape or form opinion pieces, much less biased opinion pieces. She links to every single statement the source and more often than not the court filings. You just seem more interested in tossing out blanket statements so that you don't have to demonstrate your point with any particulars.
I posted 3 of her Twitter opinions here. I think I proved that she is both biased and has no problem using derogatory language to target people on the right. Do you not see that she and many others like her use some of the same tactics as Trump to further divide us while cashing in?

You all can go on and on about this but the fact Remains the Same, Trump was never charged with criminal conspiracy in collusion with Russia.

You never seem to address the issue of Clinton's poor behavior or her private server use for government documents, or Biden's document cache the he held onto even when out of office.

All the political theater make a a lot of money for those involved in the payoff.

However;

Get Trump fever is not good for anyone's brain.
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Sadly, you just fail again to comprehend that EmptyWheel pieces are not in any way shape or form opinion pieces, much less biased opinion pieces. She links to every single statement the source and more often than not the court filings. You just seem more interested in tossing out blanket statements so that you don't have to demonstrate your point with any particulars.

Again, if you didn't read the Mueller Report then you are relying on Barr's infamous memo which was debunked 360 degrees. And again, Trump was not charged because the DoJ protocols state that a sitting President cannot be charged. That was a frustration for Mueller and his team which is why their report and his Congressional testimony laid out the crimes that they found in detail and passed them along. Many of the crimes that Mueller's team they also passed along to USA's to prosecute in their own districts.

You have an empty hand.

Back to Durham!
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Rideback wrote: Thu May 25, 2023 12:16 pm The only reason you don't read EmptyWheel or any of the other fact checkers is so that you can rely on your opinion and don't have to clutter your mind with evidence, which is why you thought that Mueller didn't come up with any 'collusion'.
I already told you, I don't find biased opinion credible, especially a person who relies on derogatory language and hate mongering to try to make a point. If you want these people to do your thinking for you, that's not my problem. They do it and you're apparently fine with it, but when Trump does your brains loose all reason.

You keep building these strawman arguments attributing words to me that I did not say. I said that the Mueller Report did not conclude that Trump colluded (criminal conspiracy) with Russia. Mueller didn't charge him, Barr didn't charge him and Garland didn't charge him for criminal conspiracy.

People like Trump seem always have a fall guy, like his lawyer and his accountant.


I remember a big semantic argument at the time because collusion is not the proper legal term for criminal conspiracy. I also remember that the leftist court of public opinion found him guilty, but that is not how our system works except to sell news media (advertising) to you guys.


Meanwhile Hillary Clinton termed 1/2 the citizens of this country as "deplorable"and wanted to press the reset button with one of the worst dictators out there. The left thinks she's a great leader (see 1st paragraph).
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Here’s what NINE separate Federal Judges had to say about guilty, Depends donnie.
These comments are in FIFTEEN different criminal cases of J6 participants.
The Judge’s comments were in Orders and Sentencing documents…..so they bear some weight; they were not just glib, off the cuff, remarks.

https://www.citizensforethics.org/repor ... 6th/#table

Turd bird donnie is going down. It’s just a matter of time, now. Our Country will be so much the better when this embarrassment is removed for good….tic-toc….tic….toc.
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The only reason you don't read EmptyWheel or any of the other fact checkers is so that you can rely on your opinion and don't have to clutter your mind with evidence, which is why you thought that Mueller didn't come up with any 'collusion'.
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Rideback wrote: Thu May 25, 2023 11:33 am Your post: 'You can post all the fact checking opinions you desire, however the outcome will remain the same. Trump will not be charged with criminal conspiracy in this case. Total waste of money for political theater.' again, misses the that Trump was never facing any criminal conspiracy charges in this case.

Durham, as demonstrated by EmptyWheel, created multiple storylines out of whole cloth and for that he charged the DoJ $6+ million. And 1 plea that is irrelevant, look at the EmptyWheel post, but no convictions of substance, instead the 2 cases he brought before the courts were tossed in a matter of hours by both juries.

So, if you want to compare this fiasco with the Mueller report go right ahead but they are night and day. Mueller's team had 6 convictions and followed the protocols of the DoJ. Durham did not. The Mueller team determined the connections, as EmptyWheel revealed, between Manafort & a Russian spy, Flynn's connections to Russia, Don Jr's connections for the Trump Tower in Moscow connection, Roger Stone's connections to Wikileaks and of course the ongoing multiple connections with Trump 'Russia are you listening?'
sorry I don't read emptywheel. As I pointed out, her opinionated analysis is extremely biased and her use of derogatory language directed towards others is appalling.
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Your post: 'You can post all the fact checking opinions you desire, however the outcome will remain the same. Trump will not be charged with criminal conspiracy in this case. Total waste of money for political theater.' again, misses the that Trump was never facing any criminal conspiracy charges in this case.

Durham, as demonstrated by EmptyWheel, created multiple storylines out of whole cloth and for that he charged the DoJ $6+ million. And 1 plea that is irrelevant, look at the EmptyWheel post, but no convictions of substance, instead the 2 cases he brought before the courts were tossed in a matter of hours by both juries.

So, if you want to compare this fiasco with the Mueller report go right ahead but they are night and day. Mueller's team had 6 convictions and followed the protocols of the DoJ. Durham did not. The Mueller team determined the connections, as EmptyWheel revealed, between Manafort & a Russian spy, Flynn's connections to Russia, Don Jr's connections for the Trump Tower in Moscow connection, Roger Stone's connections to Wikileaks and of course the ongoing multiple connections with Trump 'Russia are you listening?'
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Rideback wrote: Thu May 25, 2023 7:56 am https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/05/25/h ... ing-trump/

This is a post about the Durham Report, not the Mueller Report, thus there is no reason for you to say that Trump will not be charged.
I get that facts bother you. ;)

And yes, This thread is about this particular witch hunt and that includes the $32,000,000 tax dollar funded Mueller investigation.

Unfortunately, when accusations and criminal allegations are made over and over again that turn out not be true, and those accusations were Amplified on the internet as if a crime really was committed, then when a actual crime is committed, why would anyone believe that accusation to be true? Remember the lesson of the cry wolf fable?

That's why I advocate for our institutions to handle these matters and for the public to adhere to American values such as innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

How can the public possibly know what testimony was given to the DOJ concerning an ongoing criminal investigation?

I've already pointed out and gave examples of news stories that try hard to sell their storylines based upon unnamed sources and hearsay?

So why do you guys, left and right need to amplify politician and news media allegations on the internet as if they are true?

Do you personally enjoy the division that you help foster? Do even see the role you are playing in undermining our democracy?
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https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/05/25/h ... ing-trump/

This is a post about the Durham Report, not the Mueller Report, thus there is no reason for you to say that Trump will not be charged.
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Rideback wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 6:51 pm Wow are you ever out of the loop. The Durham Report is not a charging document against Trump.
I never said it was or implied in any way that the Durham report was a charging document. Nice try to build your straw man argument though.

Mueller had that power but he, existing DOJ under Trump, and current DOJ choose not to try to indict Trump in the Russian probe.

But seriously dude, you and Jim need to take a break out of Trumpville for awhile. The news media is feeding your frenzy and that can't be good for anyones head.
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Wow are you ever out of the loop. The Durham Report is not a charging document against Trump.
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You can post all the fact checking opinions you desire, however the outcome will remain the same. Trump will not be charged with criminal conspiracy in this case. Total waste of money for political theater.
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More fact checking:

https://digbysblog.net/2023/05/22/durha ... co0kaqNQUc

fyi, I'm using this site because it's not behind a paywall at the NYT
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Rideback wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 6:55 pm The point you continually miss is that the facts, not the messenger matter. You attack BellingCat, you attack EmptyWheel, you attack Mueller and anyone who delivers a message you don't agree with. Attacking the messenger is a waste of everyone's time.
your fooling yourself if you think you are the messengers.

I'm attacking the partisan politics practiced by the extremes of both sides that are dividing this country.

You all are more like internet opinion amplifying that Divide.

A divided country cannot stand.

When and if the indictments go down, the facts of the case are known to the public, and someone is found guilty of a crime, then we'll talk.

Other wise its just an expensive taxpayer funded political soap opera.
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The Durham Report was notable in more ways than one. What his report omitted goes against the grain of DoJ rules and regulations.

The Durham investigation was a flop. But it’s a propaganda triumph.
Opinion by Paul Waldman~The Washington Post
May 16, 2023 at 2:56 p.m. CT
Special counsel John Durham had everything he needed. Time, money, resources and a clear if not-quite-stated charge from then-Attorney General William P. Barr: Go after the investigation into Russia’s attempts to manipulate the 2016 election. Turn over every rock. Make the whole thing look like the “hoax” Donald Trump said it was.
Durham has released his report, and not only is it a dud, but in many ways it’s also the direct opposite of the investigation by the other special counsel in this case, Robert S. Mueller III.
Mueller amassed a mountain of evidence making clear the shocking sweep of Russia’s campaign to put Trump in the White House. He also showed how eager Trump, his family and his aides were to receive Vladimir Putin’s help. Yet Mueller bent over backward to avoid saying that Trump was guilty of a crime or that the whole affair met the legal definition of a criminal conspiracy.
In contrast, Durham assembled a molehill, which Trump and his supporters are desperately trying to claim is a mountain.
Beginning in 2019, Durham spent years and millions of dollars investigating Crossfire Hurricane, the FBI’s investigation of the Russian interference effort. While his 300-page report excoriated the FBI, just about all the facts he discusses were detailed more than three years ago in an inspector general’s report that revealed serious problems with the way the bureau handled Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant requests, among other things.
But if you look at the way conservatives are spinning the report by Durham, you’d think he claimed that the FBI never should have investigated Russia’s efforts in the first place. That’s bonkers.
“Yes, the FBI could be second-guessed for some of its decisions, and it got sloppy” at times, says Barbara McQuade, a University of Michigan law professor and former U.S. attorney. But given the suggestion that a hostile foreign power was trying to manipulate a presidential election, “it would have been a dereliction of duty not to investigate.”
Durham himself acknowledges this, writing that the “the investigation could have been opened more appropriately as an assessment or preliminary investigation” rather than a full investigation.
“It’s a relatively minor quibble,” McQuade told me, and “FBI agents disagree all the time” about which sort of inquiry to use and when. But what matters is that when conservatives claim Durham concluded that there should have never been any investigation at all, they’re not telling the truth.
And because they’re trying so hard to memory-hole everything that was revealed about what Russia and the Trump campaign did, it’s worth running through a few highlights.
During the campaign, Trump, members of his family and his campaign aides had dozens of contacts with Russian nationals and officials. His campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, and Manafort’s deputy, Rick Gates, who both worked for pro-Russian oligarchs and politicians in Ukraine, passed confidential internal polling data to a Russian intelligence operative.
Russia hacked Democratic National Committee servers, then passed embarrassing information to WikiLeaks so it could be released publicly at moments advantageous to Trump. WikiLeaks was in communication about the information with Trump adviser Roger Stone, whom Trump later pardoned for lying to Congress about the scandal, witness tampering and obstruction. Russia also mounted a comprehensive trolling campaign through social media to boost Trump’s presidential bid. Plus, the infamous Trump Tower meeting with Russian nationals.
Trump successfully convinced people that all of that (and more) could be reduced to the question of whether he “colluded” with the Kremlin, a word with no fixed meaning. Mueller unwittingly helped in this effort by contending in his report that he was prevented by Justice Department policies from saying Trump committed crimes, even though he offered copious evidence that Trump did, especially in his efforts to obstruct the investigation.
Mueller “practically stood on his head to avoid besmirching Donald Trump out of an exercise of caution,” McQuade told me. “I don’t see Durham doing the same thing here.”
In fact, Durham did just the opposite. His report ignores that it would have been insane for the FBI not to investigate what turned out to be perhaps the most dangerous effort ever of a hostile foreign power attempting to manipulate American politics.
You’ll search his report in vain for any mention of, for instance, the fact that Trump’s campaign chairman passed information to a Russian intelligence operative. Nearly every mention of Manafort is about his relationship with former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, who turned out to be an inconsequential figure in the scandal yet takes up much of the space in Durham’s report because of the FBI’s shoddy means of obtaining FISA warrants to surveil him.
In the end, Durham’s investigation achieved little to nothing of consequence. He indicted three people, one of whom pleaded guilty to illegally modifying an email and was sentenced to probation; the other two were acquitted. His report tries to turn what is already known about FBI sloppiness into something new and shocking.
But if his goal was to give Trump and his dishonest minions an excuse to repeat their bogus claims about his innocence in the Russia scandal? Mission accomplished.
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The point you continually miss is that the facts, not the messenger matter. You attack BellingCat, you attack EmptyWheel, you attack Mueller and anyone who delivers a message you don't agree with. Attacking the messenger is a waste of everyone's time.
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Rideback wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 9:51 am Apparently you didn't see it all unfold in real time because you missed the whole blow up. Mueller was a registered Republican. He has been called the least political person by both sides. He was friends with Bill Barr. There is no whataboutisms here or both sides do it.

I don't have to defend EmptyWheel, but you should think about defending your habit of jumping to conclusions simply because they fit your goal. Grownups use swear words all the time. It's what we do to punctuate a particularly off center, illegal, immoral event.


It's not the fuc...g swear words that are the problem, its the use of derogatory language used to demonize "the others".

Being a Replucan does not mean that person supports Trump. Mueller was in fact critical of Trumps pardon of R. Stone. Thirty two million dollars later Mueller found that Russia perceived that Trump would be better for Russian interests. So what? We do that all the time going so far as to go to war, meddle in other nations affairs and support puppet dictators because we perceive those actions be in our Nations best interest.

I never understood the concept of killing in the name of peace where our country was not directly attacked.

And finally, you seem have been singing Marcy Wheeler praises which is why I asked if you idolized her. Now you know she uses divisive derogatory language going so far as calling an autistic person "Elmo" (if I read that right). Twitter has a habit of showing "true self".

Be wary of biased self interest opinions as having anything to do with truth.

Facts matter.

Take your own advise. Quote

"but you should think about defending your habit of jumping to conclusions simply because they fit your goal".
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Apparently you didn't see it all unfold in real time because you missed the whole blow up. Mueller was a registered Republican. He has been called the least political person by both sides. He was friends with Bill Barr. There is no whataboutisms here or both sides do it.

I don't have to defend EmptyWheel, but you should think about defending your habit of jumping to conclusions simply because they fit your goal. Grownups use swear words all the time. It's what we do to punctuate a particularly off center, illegal, immoral event.
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Rideback wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 10:50 am you really are pretty entertaining. btw, take a 2nd look at the date and the article that you linked to from the ABA. Read it. .
no need to read I saw the whole thing unfold. That headline is repeated over and over.

Opinions are not fact sorry. Barr had a partisan opinion Mueller had an anti Trump opinion, what else is new. Who are these people trying to convince with all these opinions?

Fellow partisans.

Its called appealing to ones confirmation bias.

Seriously, did Marcy Wheeler really refer to a billionaire autistic person as Elmo on her Twitter accoung? Did I read that right? And you idolize her?

Like I said I want facts and testimony offered in a court of law where a person testifying is not an unnamed source, that testimony can be scrutinized and there are consequences for lying.

All this other stuff is just a soap opera side show. Which is good for Trump where he's living rent free in your heads.

Let our institutions handle it and stop undermining our Democratic principles with all this opinionated attention seeking online partisan bickering.

As far as entertainment value, that's part of it right?

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Another deep dive into the failure of Durham and his report

https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/05/18/j ... ent-992885
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you really are pretty entertaining. btw, take a 2nd look at the date and the article that you linked to from the ABA. Read it. I'll give you a hint, it's referring to Bill Barr's memo that was so egrigeous in its interpretation of the report that Mueller himself came forward to refute it and then appeared before Congress to testify.

From CAFE: Asha Rangappa - Why The Durham Report Failed

https://cafe.com/notes-from-contributor ... -165449494

'Special Counsel John Durham finally delivered his conclusions after four years of “investigating the investigators” of the FBI’s counterintelligence case on Russia’s 2016 election interference, Crossfire Hurricane. The 306-page report was required to be produced to the Attorney General under the special counsel regulations, and the AG had the discretion to make the report public. There was no debate here about whether AG Garland would release this report – if he had not done so, conspiracy theories would have filled the information vacuum. It’s a good thing it’s public, though, because having to show his homework forced Durham to reveal that his sprawling investigation was as desperate on the inside as it seemed from the outside.

Officially, Durham, who was appointed by former AG Bill Barr in May 2019, was named as a Special Counsel to investigate whether “any federal official, employee, or any other person or entity violated the law in connection with the intelligence, counter-intelligence, or law enforcement activities directed at the 2016 presidential campaigns, individuals associated with those campaigns, and individuals associated with the administration of President Donald J. Trump, including but not limited to Crossfire Hurricane and the investigation of Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller, III.” That’s a pretty sweeping mandate, and Trump and his supporters promised that by the end of Durham’s probe, roughly half of the FBI would be rounded up and sent to Gitmo. Instead, Durham ended up charging two random individuals unconnected to the FBI with making false statements and lost both cases. (I wrote about one here – and the other one was simply not worth wasting ink on, to be honest.)

What Durham was really expected to conclude, though, was that the entire Crossfire Hurricane investigation was improperly predicated – meaning, it shouldn’t have been opened in the first place. Such a finding would taint the entire investigation and everything that followed from it – including the appointment of Mueller, who continued the case after Trump fired FBI Director James Comey. It would also taint the convictions of the individuals who Mueller convicted of lying to the FBI or Congress on Trump’s behalf, like George Papadapoulos, Mike Flynn, Paul Manafort, and Roger Stone, and justify Trump’s subsequent pardon of them. Rather inconveniently, however, just a few months after Durham started his probe the Justice Department’s Inspector General, Michael E. Horowitz, released his report into Crossfire Hurricane, which found several flaws in the FISA application for Carter Page but concluded that the basis for the investigation was proper. Specifically, Horowitz determined that the investigation was grounded in a tip provided by the Australian government that Papadapoulos had advance knowledge that Russia would release hacked emails from the DNC, and had bragged about it. (For those who have been following along, we already knew this from the Mueller Report.)

This, of course, didn’t stop Durham from barreling full speed ahead. After first trying, unsuccessfully, to get Horowitz to change his conclusion in the OIG report, Durham publicly stated at the outset of his investigation that he did not believe there was a proper basis for Crossfire Hurricane. His entire report is centered around that preordained conclusion. The report is, overall, a rambling mess, but basically Durham focuses on the Australian tip in a vacuum, concluding that it was very “thin” evidence and was not enough, without further corroboration, to open a full investigation into whether Russia was trying to recruit individuals from the Trump campaign. Durham also unearthed a report from the Intelligence Community comprised of “Russian intelligence analysis” (meaning, from Russian sources) indicating that Hillary Clinton had a plan to “stir up a scandal” against Trump “by tying him to Putin.” Durham notes that the IC did not know whether the intelligence was accurate or even potential Russian disinformation. Nevertheless, Durham dubs this one piece of intelligence “the Clinton Campaign Plan” and uses this as a basis to compare the FBI’s handling of Clinton to Trump. According to Durham, the FBI did not treat Russian intelligence about the Clinton Campaign Plan similarly to how it treated the information it received about Russia’s possible targeting of the Trump campaign. Moreover, the FBI’s failure to question the information received about Trump’s campaign as itself potentially part of the Clinton Campaign Plan reflected, in Durham’s view, the FBI’s confirmation bias against Trump. (Both of Durham’s failed prosecutions were vehicles to promote the theory that the Clinton campaign had lured the FBI into opening the Russia investigation.)

So let’s unpack all of that.

First, investigators don’t operate in a vacuum. At the time that the FBI received the tip from the Australian government, it knew that the DNC server had been hacked, and had attributed that breach to Russia. Trump, for his part, was making very explicit overtures to Russia in downplaying the threat it posed to the U.S., expressing admiration for Putin, and denigrating NATO and our support of Ukraine. (Remember that at the GOP convention, support for Ukraine was significantly diluted in the party platform.) Carter Page, Trump’s foreign policy advisor, had been on the FBI’s radar as a target for Russian intelligence going back to 2013. And Trump’s campaign manager, Paul Manafort, had been an advisor to a pro-Russian political party in Ukraine. This raised a legitimate question of whether Russia was targeting individuals in the Trump campaign for recruitment, or had already recruited them.

Second, given this question, the manner in which the FBI explored possible compromise of individuals associated with Trump’s campaign was appropriate. As Durham’s report acknowledges, the main reason that the FBI kept such a close hold on the investigation, and used covert investigative methods like confidential human sources (CHSs), was because it wanted to avoid any leaks that might impact the election. If there was any way that the FBI treated the Trump case differently than Hillary Clinton, it was in concealing the fact that there was any suspicion surrounding the investigation while Trump was able to point to the very open investigation against Clinton as a campaign point. Further, had the FBI taken the steps Durham suggests they should have – like immediately informing the Trump campaign about the tip from Australia or directly questioning Papadapoulos – it not only would have generated public suspicion about the Trump campaign, but would have alerted Russia to the fact that the FBI was investigating its efforts, and allowed it to cover its tracks.

Finally, even if the FBI had done the things Durham says they should have in his report, that would have required opening an investigation! In the FBI, there are, not surprisingly, pretty rigid rules – agents can’t just go out and randomly interview people, for example. There needs to be an investigative reason to do so. Durham understood this, and gets to it on page 295 of his 306-page report. Specifically, Durham’s ultimate objection is not that the investigation into Russian election interference shouldn’t have been opened, it’s that it should have been opened as a “preliminary inquiry” rather than a “full investigation,” and only on George Papadapoulos. The main difference between a PI and an FI is the length of time it can be open and the types of investigative techniques that could be used – a PI is opened based on “information or allegation” of a national security threat versus an FI, which is opened based on “specific and articulable facts.” And a PI can be converted to an FI if circumstances warrant (and clearly would have been, in this case, given the context and what the FBI was uncovering). At best, this is a difference in opinion about the nature and strength of the evidence originally in the FBI’s possession, hardly evidence of rampant illegality.

In the end, Durham’s report omits the fact that Mueller’s investigation resulted in charges against 34 individuals or entities, including indictments against 13 Russian nationals and 3 Russian companies for a conspiracy to defraud the United States, and against 12 Russian GRU officers for hacking into the Democratic National Committee. It fails to mention the numerous contacts between individuals connected to the Kremlin and members of the Trump campaign – contacts which, to a person, were concealed from the Mueller team. It fails to mention that Roger Stone was in private contact with Julian Assange, who ran Wikileaks and conveniently released hacked emails right after the Access Hollywood tape became public. Finally, it fails to mention that a bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee, chaired by Republican Senator Marco Rubio, whose “bipartisan report shows unambiguously that members of the Trump campaign cooperated with efforts to get Trump elected,” revealed that Manafort was actively in contact with and passed polling data to a Russian intelligence agent, Konstantin Klimnik – and that information ultimately made its way to Putin.

In short, Durham’s investigation, which reportedly cost taxpayers over $6 million dollars, didn’t change anything about the conclusions contained in the Mueller Report, the charges that came out of it, or the findings of congressional investigations. It did, however, debunk the right-wing claim that the investigation was opened based on the so-called “Steele Dossier,” and it helped remind the public (if they bother to read it) that the entire investigation was originally against Russia, not Trump himself. And perhaps the one useful recommendation that Durham makes – that FISA applications against people connected to political campaigns should have an internal DOJ “devil’s advocate” to help correct for implicit or confirmation bias – is not a bad one. Unfortunately, all of his other conclusions are either ones that have long been corrected for or a product of the same confirmation bias which he rails against. '
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Re: Trump was right, it was a Witch hunt:Durham Report

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Rideback wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 9:44 am :evil: Apparently you have allowed yourself to be ill informed. Robert Mueller's testimony does not agree with you.
you sure like arguing semantics. Here's an American Bar Association headline:

"Mueller finds no collusion with Russia, leaves obstruction question open"

Your article says they found no criminal conspiracy because that's the legal term.

col·lu·sion
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secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy

So these partisan witch hunt reports cost the tax payers 32,000,000 dollars for the Mueller Report and 6,500,000 for a total of 38.5 million dollars. That's very expensive paper with words on it.

Think where that money could have been used to actually help people better their lives.
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Here's a tweet where she calls a person stupid. Using derogatory language to target a person just to offer a baseless opinion. At least she seems to understand how to use confirmation bias to pass opinion off as truth.

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Benny's so stupid he doesn't realize how often Elmo sacrifices things he claims to care about--like free speech--to stay in the good graces of authoritarian customers.

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Possibly the most important quote from a billionaire in the history of our country. True, actual bravery."]
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