A native Yup’ik woman, Democrat Mary Peltola, handily beat former Gov. Sarah Palin for a vacant House seat in Alaska. It wasn’t close, either. https://www.adn.com/politics/2022/08/31 ... -congress/
Palin’s political career is probably over.
She replaces Republican Don Young, deceased earlier this year, who had held the seat since 1973!
The year Roe v Wade was decided. He was the longest serving US Representative, ever.
And the sole Alaskan House seat - they have just 1 - has switched from R to D.
……tubby orange one’s sins are starting to come home to roost….
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More on Ken's orange buffoon...
Trump Mar-a-Lago home searched over ‘likely’ efforts to hide files, DoJ says
Hugo Lowell in Washington - 4h ago
The FBI searched Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida after it obtained evidence there was probably an effort to conceal classified documents in defiance of a grand jury subpoena and despite Trump’s lawyers suggesting otherwise, the Department of Justice said in a court filing late on Tuesday night.
The filing, opposing Trump’s request for an independent review of materials seized, amounted to the most detailed picture of potential obstruction of justice yet outlined by the DoJ.
“Efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government’s investigation,” the filing alleged.
Among new revelations in the 36-page filing were that agents recovered three classified documents from desks in Trump’s office and additional classified files from a storage room, contrary to what Trump’s lawyers indicated.
The DoJ suggested the effort to conceal documents started on 3 June, as Trump’s representatives produced a single legal envelope, double-taped, in response to a subpoena for materials removed from the White House.
The file was given to Jay Bratt, the chief DoJ counter-intelligence official, by a Trump lawyer and his records custodian, who signed a letter certifying a “diligent search” had been conducted and all documents responsive to the subpoena were being returned.
The lawyer also told Bratt all records in the envelope had come from one storage room, that there were no other records elsewhere at Mar-a-Lago, and that all boxes brought from the White House had been searched, the DoJ said.
A copy of the letter reproduced in the filing redacted the custodian’s name. Two sources familiar with the matter identified the custodian as Christina Bobb, a member of Trump’s legal team.
According to the filing, the FBI uncovered evidence through multiple sources that classified documents remained at Mar-a-Lago in defiance of the subpoena, and that other records were “likely” removed from the storage room and concealed.
The DoJ said the evidence – details of which were redacted in an affidavit unsealed last week – allowed it to obtain a warrant to enter Mar-a-Lago, where FBI agents found more classified documents in Trump’s office.
“The government seized 33 items of evidence, mostly boxes,” the filing said. “Three classified documents that were not located in boxes, but rather were located in the desks in the ‘45 Office’ were also seized.”
In an exhibit resembling how the justice department would show the results of a drug bust, the filing included a photo of retrieved documents emblazoned with classification markings including “top secret” and “secret” designations.
The DoJ said the documents collected most recently included “sensitive compartmented information”, while other documents were so sensitive that counterintelligence agents reviewing them needed additional security clearances.
The filing said: “That the FBI recovered twice as many documents with classification markings as the ‘diligent search’ that the former president’s counsel and other representatives had weeks to perform, calls into serious question the representations made in the 3 June certification.”
Trump responded on Wednesday with a post on his social media platform, alleging without evidence that the photo of documents was staged and that the documents were supposedly declassified.
“Terrible the way the FBI, during the Raid of Mar-a-Lago, threw documents haphazardly all over the floor (perhaps pretending it was me that did it!), and then started taking pictures of them for the public to see,” Trump said. “Thought they wanted them kept Secret? Lucky I Declassified!”
Trump and allies have insisted he issued some sort of a standing order when he was president that any materials he took to the White House residence were declassified. He has produced no paperwork that might confirm that claim.
In a subsequent post, Trump wrote: “Whatever happened to NUCLEAR, a word that was leaked early on by the FBI/DOJ to the Fake News Media!” – a reference to a news report that the FBI sought materials relating to nuclear weapons.
The justice department appears to have asked Trump representatives in the June subpoena to return documents marked as “S/FRD”, short for “Secret/Formerly Restricted Data”, a control relating to nuclear weapons information designated by the Atomic Energy Act.
Trump has never addressed the central question of why he had classified documents at Mar-a-Lago, why they were in his private office, and why the documents were not surrendered when he was subpoenaed in June.
On Wednesday morning, Liz Cheney, the Wyoming Republican who is vice-chair of the House January 6 committee and a leading Trump critic, tweeted the picture of documents on the floor at Mar-a-Lago and condemned “yet more indefensible conduct by Donald Trump”.
Adam Schiff, the California Democrat who chairs the House intelligence committee, said: “The government’s brief is devastating. The legal arguments are compelling, but what is most striking are the facts outlining how the former president and his team knowingly put our national security at risk.”
In the DoJ filing, after painting an extraordinary portrait of the hurdles the DoJ had to overcome to recover documents that belong to the government, prosecutors argued Trump had no basis to seek the appointment of a so-called special master to review the files.
The request fails, the filing argued, because Trump is attempting to use the potential for executive privilege to withhold documents from the executive branch – which the supreme court decided in Nixon v GSA did not hold.
The DoJ added that even if Trump could successfully assert executive privilege, it would not apply because the documents marked classified were seized as part of a criminal investigation into the handling of the documents themselves.
Trump is expected to press on with his request for a special master and to obtain a more detailed list of materials taken, a source close to his legal team said, also disputing that the DoJ filing raised the likelihood of an obstruction charge.
On Tuesday morning, Trump added a third lawyer, the former Florida solicitor general Christopher Kise, to his legal team, said two sources with direct knowledge of the matter.
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The real interesting fireworks are going to go off when we get the other end of this: who got to see these classified documents and how much did they pay for the privilege?
There is also pretty strict inventory control on classified documents, for obvious reasons. That means we should be able to figure out if any of them are unaccounted for as well.
Curiouser and curiouser...
There is also pretty strict inventory control on classified documents, for obvious reasons. That means we should be able to figure out if any of them are unaccounted for as well.
Curiouser and curiouser...
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Andrew Weissmann's advice to Trump's 2 lawyers: st*u and get the best defense lawyer you can find
https://crooksandliars.com/2022/08/andr ... wyers-need
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August 31, 2022/9 Comments/in 2020 Presidential Election, Leak Investigations /by emptywheel
DOJ’s response to Trump’s request for a Special Master last night did a bunch of things — most notably, debunking lies Trump’s camp had been telling.
But I want to point to several details presumably designed not just to impress Judge Aileen Cannon that this is more serious than Trump has made out, but to give Trump and his attorneys notice that they’re dealing with National Defense Information.
As I and others have noted repeatedly, the Espionage Act doesn’t criminalize the refusal to return classified information. It criminalizes the refusal to return National Defense Information. That’s a legacy of how old the law is — it predates the current US classification system.
But it means Trump’s crowing about having declassified documents is simply bluster, irrelevant to his exposure under the statute.
The distinction between classified and National Defense Information not only shows up in Trump’s affidavit, but it shows up in a key spot: modifying a still-redacted paragraph between the discussion of the June 3 meeting (which, because it pertained to grand jury information, is entirely redacted in the affidavit) and the discussion of Jay Bratt’s June 8 follow-up.
2 18 U.S.C. § 793(e) does not use the term “classified information.” but rather criminalizes the willful retention of “information relating to the national defense.” The statute does not define “information related to the national defense.” but courts have construed it broadly. See Gorin, .. United States. 312 U.S. 19. 28 (1941) (holding that the phrase “information relating to the national defense” as used in the Espionage Act is a “generic concept of broad connotations, referring to the military and naval establishments and the related activities of national preparedness”). In addition, the information must be “closely held” by the U.S. government. See United States v. Squillacote. 221 F.3d 542, 579 (4th Cir. 2000) (”nformation made public by the government as well as information never protected by the governent is not national defense information.”); United States, .. Morison. 844 F.2d 1057, 1071-72 (4th Cir. 1988). Certain courts have also held that the disclosure of the documents must be potentially damaging to the United States. See Morison, 844 F.2d at 1071-72. [my emphasis]
In context, when Bratt contacted Evan Corcoran and instructed him to secure the storage room where, DOJ suspected correctly, classified documents were still being stored, he was asking Corcoran to protect the information.
In yesterday’s filing, the government demonstrated what properly protecting NDI looks like in practice. The example that has — deservedly — gotten the most attention is the description of case agents and National Security Division attorneys having to get additional clearances to access this information.
In some instances, even the FBI counterintelligence personnel and DOJ attorneys conducting the review required additional clearances before they were permitted to review certain documents.
Trump was storing this stuff in a hotel safe. But when FBI and DOJ got the materials back, they wouldn’t let anyone look at the documents until they got additional clearances first.
DOJ also described that the classified materials that have been seized have been segregated and properly stored.
All of the classified documents seized in the August 8 search have been segregated from the rest of the seized documents and are being separately maintained and stored in accordance with appropriate procedures for handling and storing classified information.
DOJ intends that these special protections will extend to these court proceedings: DOJ demanded that if Judge Cannon decides to appoint a Special Master, she pick someone who is already cleared at the TS/SCI level.
If the special master must be permitted to review classified documents, in order to avoid unnecessary delay, the special master should already possess a Top Secret/SCI security clearance.
And finally, there’s the rationale that DOJ raised over and over again for why it needs to retain access to all the classified materials: The Intelligence Community needs to and has already started the process of assessing what kind of damage Trump did by keeping this stuff in his hotel safe.
The Intelligence Community is also reviewing the seized documents to assess the potential risk to national security that would result if these materials were disclosed while they were unlawfully stored at the Premises.
As the government has explained, the Intelligence Community, under the supervision of the Director of National Intelligence, is conducting a classification review of those documents and an assessment of the potential risk to national security that could result from their disclosure.
Thus far, Trump’s lawyers have been oblivious to such warnings.
But if DOJ were to charge this, his attorneys’ obliviousness may be Trump’s downfall. I laid out (most recently in this post) what a jury would be asked to consider if Trump ever were put on trial for his actions. One central question would be whether the jury believed this was NDI, including whether (as bolded above) it was closely held. And one thing prosecutors would demonstrate, at length, is that whatever the former President did with these documents, the rest of the government continued to closely hold the materials.
If Trump’s lawyers were smart, they’d read last night’s filing and realize that every time they make DOJ write up another document, DOJ further documents things that would be key evidence against Trump at trial.
This stunt about a Special Master — whatever else it is — is also helping DOJ strengthen any prosecution of Trump for his actions.
DOJ’s response to Trump’s request for a Special Master last night did a bunch of things — most notably, debunking lies Trump’s camp had been telling.
But I want to point to several details presumably designed not just to impress Judge Aileen Cannon that this is more serious than Trump has made out, but to give Trump and his attorneys notice that they’re dealing with National Defense Information.
As I and others have noted repeatedly, the Espionage Act doesn’t criminalize the refusal to return classified information. It criminalizes the refusal to return National Defense Information. That’s a legacy of how old the law is — it predates the current US classification system.
But it means Trump’s crowing about having declassified documents is simply bluster, irrelevant to his exposure under the statute.
The distinction between classified and National Defense Information not only shows up in Trump’s affidavit, but it shows up in a key spot: modifying a still-redacted paragraph between the discussion of the June 3 meeting (which, because it pertained to grand jury information, is entirely redacted in the affidavit) and the discussion of Jay Bratt’s June 8 follow-up.
2 18 U.S.C. § 793(e) does not use the term “classified information.” but rather criminalizes the willful retention of “information relating to the national defense.” The statute does not define “information related to the national defense.” but courts have construed it broadly. See Gorin, .. United States. 312 U.S. 19. 28 (1941) (holding that the phrase “information relating to the national defense” as used in the Espionage Act is a “generic concept of broad connotations, referring to the military and naval establishments and the related activities of national preparedness”). In addition, the information must be “closely held” by the U.S. government. See United States v. Squillacote. 221 F.3d 542, 579 (4th Cir. 2000) (”nformation made public by the government as well as information never protected by the governent is not national defense information.”); United States, .. Morison. 844 F.2d 1057, 1071-72 (4th Cir. 1988). Certain courts have also held that the disclosure of the documents must be potentially damaging to the United States. See Morison, 844 F.2d at 1071-72. [my emphasis]
In context, when Bratt contacted Evan Corcoran and instructed him to secure the storage room where, DOJ suspected correctly, classified documents were still being stored, he was asking Corcoran to protect the information.
In yesterday’s filing, the government demonstrated what properly protecting NDI looks like in practice. The example that has — deservedly — gotten the most attention is the description of case agents and National Security Division attorneys having to get additional clearances to access this information.
In some instances, even the FBI counterintelligence personnel and DOJ attorneys conducting the review required additional clearances before they were permitted to review certain documents.
Trump was storing this stuff in a hotel safe. But when FBI and DOJ got the materials back, they wouldn’t let anyone look at the documents until they got additional clearances first.
DOJ also described that the classified materials that have been seized have been segregated and properly stored.
All of the classified documents seized in the August 8 search have been segregated from the rest of the seized documents and are being separately maintained and stored in accordance with appropriate procedures for handling and storing classified information.
DOJ intends that these special protections will extend to these court proceedings: DOJ demanded that if Judge Cannon decides to appoint a Special Master, she pick someone who is already cleared at the TS/SCI level.
If the special master must be permitted to review classified documents, in order to avoid unnecessary delay, the special master should already possess a Top Secret/SCI security clearance.
And finally, there’s the rationale that DOJ raised over and over again for why it needs to retain access to all the classified materials: The Intelligence Community needs to and has already started the process of assessing what kind of damage Trump did by keeping this stuff in his hotel safe.
The Intelligence Community is also reviewing the seized documents to assess the potential risk to national security that would result if these materials were disclosed while they were unlawfully stored at the Premises.
As the government has explained, the Intelligence Community, under the supervision of the Director of National Intelligence, is conducting a classification review of those documents and an assessment of the potential risk to national security that could result from their disclosure.
Thus far, Trump’s lawyers have been oblivious to such warnings.
But if DOJ were to charge this, his attorneys’ obliviousness may be Trump’s downfall. I laid out (most recently in this post) what a jury would be asked to consider if Trump ever were put on trial for his actions. One central question would be whether the jury believed this was NDI, including whether (as bolded above) it was closely held. And one thing prosecutors would demonstrate, at length, is that whatever the former President did with these documents, the rest of the government continued to closely hold the materials.
If Trump’s lawyers were smart, they’d read last night’s filing and realize that every time they make DOJ write up another document, DOJ further documents things that would be key evidence against Trump at trial.
This stunt about a Special Master — whatever else it is — is also helping DOJ strengthen any prosecution of Trump for his actions.
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Desperate is only a word that a person who didn't read the DoJ filing would use. Trump is well and thoroughly caught and the DoJ has followed the evidence meticulously, vs Trump's team has only deployed smoke and mirrors which at every turn have opened up a new can of worms for him that made his situation even darker.
Read.
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No, you all are the desperate ones. And with all the name calling you guys do, I won’t take any criticism from such utter hypocrites!
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Face the truth, Ken. Your leader is flipping out.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... -rcna45465
He's fanning the flames to create violence. This must be what you want as your posts are so so angry sounding and the name calling. After many of your posts, I tried to feel compassion for you, as perhaps you were picked on. I thought I wouldn't say anything against you. But geez, enough is enough, do't you think. Trump is a madman. Little does he know he is going out of fashion. People will fall away from him, except for the desparate.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... -rcna45465
He's fanning the flames to create violence. This must be what you want as your posts are so so angry sounding and the name calling. After many of your posts, I tried to feel compassion for you, as perhaps you were picked on. I thought I wouldn't say anything against you. But geez, enough is enough, do't you think. Trump is a madman. Little does he know he is going out of fashion. People will fall away from him, except for the desparate.
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Apparently you didn't read the DoJ filing Tues night. It comes complete with a picture of some of the Top Secret docs that were seized, along with a history of Trump's obstruction for 18 months, the location of the docs including Top Secret kept in his unlocked desk (so they were handy) which is now being called the worst National Security breach in US history. DoJ states that Trump does not have standing to request much less get a special master because the docs belong to the US govt and were co mingled with classified docs so now are evidence.
Read it.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... O9V4gbb9Ws
Read it.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... O9V4gbb9Ws
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You idiots have said this over and over and never ‘got him’! Pipe down nutball.
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Now, maybe appears not so much so….
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -democrats
In most years of ‘mid year’ elections, the party that holds the Presidency typically looses House seats. Just a few weeks ago many pundits were forecasting a loss of 20-30 House seats for the Dems this fall. Now, some are saying the ‘loss’ could be more like 10-20 seats. Which might be enough to assure the trump/fascists don’t rule; given the number of Republicans - the ones with brains - who often cross the aisle, on major and important votes. (Currently, there is about a 10 vote Dem majority in the House.)
AND, more interesting, other polls are showing the Senate might GAIN 2 Dem seats! ‘538’ is one source that does so….
We have 2 more months of the guilty cheeto stomping around - stark raving mad - continually stepping on his own pecker and shedding more friends and money than the Titanic. One can only imagine what’s coming….
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DoJ response tonight to Trump's request to have a special master review. Simply put, DoJ calls him out at every turn, he not only has no standing to make the request but he withheld docs from Nat'l Archives & DoJ for over a year. The DoJ used this request by Trump's attorneys to lay bare all the disinformation, distractions and outright lies circulating.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... 48.0_1.pdf
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There's so many deep dives going on now about the various legalities, this one is interesting because it brings up Kavanaugh's stint in the WH, but also the premise that no former president should have the right to remove his presidential papers so that they are not available to an incumbent president to review, particularly in matters of national security. Trump has clearly obstructed the process time and again and his lawyers have failed to take advantage of opportunities to mitigate his situation. Oh, and had you heard there's tunnels under MAL?
https://www.justsecurity.org/82873/asse ... -mal-docs/
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She doesn't sound like a Russian spy to me, she just sounds like another Anna Delvey style scammer of the rich and famous. Or at least a wannabe.
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Yes, we're all in trouble. Heather Cox Richardson
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Yes. When the FBI & DoJ came in June they not only took stock and padlocked the one room, but they followed a protocol that gave them definitive evidence of crimes that were being obstructed by Trump & his representatives. They weren't just wandering through. Then they subpoened the video tapes and got even more receipts of crimes being committed by the Trump camp as people without ANY clearances were recorded moving and switching boxes.
With news tonight of the fake deRothchild woman who wandered in and out of Mar a Lago for months, played golf with Graham & Trump and had open access to the resort, all the while in reality being a Ukrainian/Russian spy just frosts Trump's prison cake.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... Trump.html
With news tonight of the fake deRothchild woman who wandered in and out of Mar a Lago for months, played golf with Graham & Trump and had open access to the resort, all the while in reality being a Ukrainian/Russian spy just frosts Trump's prison cake.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... Trump.html
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Thinking about this some more……
You know how everyone always tells you to never say anything to the cops when you get pulled over? And you know how Tubby and the other GOP-ers are whining now about a ‘leaker’?
Look at what the fat fool said! “I let them into Mar a Lardo in June and the FBI CAME INTO MY HOUSE AND COLLECTED THINGS. They looked around and asked questions AND I ANSWERED THEM. "Thank you, that explains a lot," they said. Then they WENT AND GOT A WARRANT AND CAME BACK AND TOOK MORE STUFF! It's just SO unfair!”
There are drug dealers and thieves all over the country who would read that and slap their foreheads. "Dumbazz - you don't let the cops into your crib! And you keep your piehole SHUT!
Every second they were in Mar a Lardo back in June, those guys with tape recorders in hand were making notes of exactly where all the good stuff was AND YOU LET THEM, donnie! You told them all the things they needed to fill out their warrant! So….you know who the snitch was, you dumbsh*t? It was you!
Heh, heh, heh…. He is now well and truly screwed.
You know how everyone always tells you to never say anything to the cops when you get pulled over? And you know how Tubby and the other GOP-ers are whining now about a ‘leaker’?
Look at what the fat fool said! “I let them into Mar a Lardo in June and the FBI CAME INTO MY HOUSE AND COLLECTED THINGS. They looked around and asked questions AND I ANSWERED THEM. "Thank you, that explains a lot," they said. Then they WENT AND GOT A WARRANT AND CAME BACK AND TOOK MORE STUFF! It's just SO unfair!”
There are drug dealers and thieves all over the country who would read that and slap their foreheads. "Dumbazz - you don't let the cops into your crib! And you keep your piehole SHUT!
Every second they were in Mar a Lardo back in June, those guys with tape recorders in hand were making notes of exactly where all the good stuff was AND YOU LET THEM, donnie! You told them all the things they needed to fill out their warrant! So….you know who the snitch was, you dumbsh*t? It was you!
Heh, heh, heh…. He is now well and truly screwed.
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Given the black and white world of cheeto face supporters there is little wonder that Ken neither understands the criminal intent apparent in the current case vs the violation of Gov policy in 2016. Nor does he understand the difference between a former POTUS and anyone else.
Essentially, by comparison, Hilary broke a speed limit and the orange one committed vehicular homicide. It isn’t even close to being an equivalent case.
Essentially, by comparison, Hilary broke a speed limit and the orange one committed vehicular homicide. It isn’t even close to being an equivalent case.
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If I recall correctly, the shoe was on the other foot in 2016 and you and your ilk were shouting "Lock her up!"
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No, spare all us your righteous indignation! Remember this when the shoe is on the other foot and it will be.
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There was no Top Secret/SCI or code word data on Clinton's e-mail server. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.
Spare us the whataboutisms.
Spare us the whataboutisms.
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