As expected, your infantile echo chamber of ignorance cannot handle the Durham FACTS, please don't breed or vote!
Well, he hasn't gone golfing...but seriously, the accomplishments are pretty easy to relate:
and the article came out last month so it doesn't include the huge jump in employment stats
https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/04/economy/ ... index.html
And even the Salt Lake Tribune from bright red Utah is applauding
https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/letters/ ... icans-are/
I hold Obama and Biden both responsible as for this attack and torture that occurred to me at the Mann-Grandstaff Spokane VA under their administration. They won't acknowledge it happened let alone give me the simple apology I requested.
tristanbgilb wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:18 pm
For my Christian faith, cannabis is the cornerstone of my prayer. Created by my God, and bearing seed that is viable, I must concur that not allowing for religious medical use is a crime against humanity. I suffered from this crime at the VA Hospital in Spokane, WA as security and nurses tormented and beat me down forcefully injecting me with Haldol causing me to go into a seizure. While chemically restrained with a torn mouth from personnel needing to forcefully open my jaw and get my tongue out of my throat, my cannabis in my pocket was taken from me and never returned. I went months with no medicine and lacking an ability to meditate and commune with my God. Cannabis Rights must be restored in this Nation so Veterans like myself can seek medical treatment in VA Facilities and remain medicated with cannabis. I have often pleaded for anything even a synthetic like Marinol in order to bear the pains of life without my sacrament. For this, you have the ability to move forward with Medical Cannabis to be used for VA Treatments. I am not necessarily saying raw flowers like so many enjoy. I need to grow them myself to stay in good graces with my lord. I need pharmaceutical grade hemp oils in capsules to alleviate the pains of my cervical spine degeneration. Thank you for your time.
I went to primary care recently in Wenatchee VA. There was no pressure for injections. I simply told her that if she wants me to get it she could get security to beat me up inject me with poison again as I am strapped down and helpless.
There is literally over a century of legal and medical discussions on that very topic in the United States and for that matter the rest of the world.
Consider Jacobsen v. Massachusetts (1905): https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/197/11/
That is a Supreme Court decision that hasn't been overturned and seems to settle any legal or constitutional issues on compulsory vaccinations....
The liberty secured by the Constitution of the United States does not import an absolute right in each person to be at all times, and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint, nor is it an element in such liberty that one person, or a minority of persons residing in any community and enjoying the benefits of its local government, should have power to dominate the majority when supported in their action by the authority of the State.
It is within the police power of a State to enact a compulsory vaccination law, and it is for the legislature, and not for the courts, to determine
in the first instance whether vaccination is or is not the best mode for the prevention of smallpox and the protection of the public health.
Also, if you consider the laws and procedures with respect to tuberculosis in Washington State, ( https://www.doh.wa.gov/portals/1/docume ... manual.pdf ) it also makes it pretty clear that the state can make you take a medication or indefinitely detain you whether you want to or not. Similar laws are on the books in nearly all other states.
It seems to me a no-brainer if such measures are legally permissible that requiring vaccination as a condition of attending school, having a certain job, or patronizing a business that requires vaccination should also be legally permissible.
So any individual rights to bodily autonomy come a distant second to ensuring that other people aren't being infected.
For What It's Worth, here is an Article on vaccination obligation in the US that explodes the question you ask.
Quote from that Article
"All states allow vaccination exemptions for medical reasons, additionally until 2015, almost all states allowed vaccine exemptions based on religious or philosophical grounds [7,8]. The increase in the number of parents refusing to vaccinate their children resulted in 20% of children not receiving the recommended vaccines for medical and non-medical reasons. The California Department of Public Health (DPH) revealed that, in California, the number of vaccination refusals has doubled since 2007 . What is more, recent years proved that the outbreaks of diseases considered to be ‘defeated’ are beginning to re-occur [10,11]. It has been proven that many populations have a decreased herd immunity, which in the United States was the reason for an outbreak of measles in California (Disneyland measles). This in turn forced the implementation of more rigorous laws mandating vaccinations [12,13]. Since the beginning of 2015, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta registered 127 cases of infection associated with the outbreak of this epidemic. In 2014, California became much more restrictive concerning personal exemptions, requiring parents seeking such exemptions to obtain a certificate from the doctor that they were informed on the diseases that could be prevented using vaccinations. Soon afterwards, this solution proved insufficient. In April 2015, California’s legislature proposed removing personal beliefs (religious, philosophical) as reasons for refusing vaccinations, which in turn initiated a public, wide-range debate on the limitations of freedoms and rights granted to an individual . Additionally, in June 2015, Bill SB 277 was passed, markedly narrowing the exceptions relating to the possibility of refusing vaccinations of children. California became the third state, after West Virginia and Mississippi to prohibit exemptions from immunization based on religious and/or philosophical beliefs. In respecting autonomy, the introduced law forbids admitting children to private and public nurseries and primary and secondary schools (and other public social institutions) without being vaccinated according to the established vaccination schedule. This does not pertain to children who have a medical exemption or those who have home schooling . Such a solution, put into practice, limits the availability of public and private education, simultaneously leaving parents with the freedom of choice (home schooling), however, it may also lead to practices aimed at obtaining the medical exemption from vaccinations . Critics postulate a referendum where the public would comment on this issue"
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That Godwin's law is something to think about. And it does seem that many discussions end up talking about Covid. There is not one conversation I have had when talking with people, albeit limited, that we don't end up talking or mentioning Covid.
Into the woods, no talking about it.
I get body autonomy, being a woman. My body, my choice. But is requiring the vaccine quite the same thing? When it is considered good for society as a whole. I guess I considered it my patriotic duty to take it.
I did just google FWIW and wow pages of how it is used, why, where. I now have a PH.d in FWIW.
Isn't Godwins law itself a paradox (logically self contradictory statement) because the law itself brings up the subject of Nazi's every time its quoted online?
Also lets not forget that the vaccinated can infect the vulnerable although at a reduced risk. I agree, Ken could have been accommodated to reduce his risk of catching the virus, which FF have been doing anyway, and transmitting the virus. Masking, Testing, and possibly duty away from the public (social distancing).
From the CDC
Can you get COVID-19 after being vaccinated?
"Vaccinated people can still become infected and have the potential spread the virus to others, although at much lower rates than unvaccinated people. The risks of SARS-CoV-2 infection in fully vaccinated people are higher where community transmission of the virus is widespread."
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 0htxKqtbiu
FWIW, Ken has stated his reasons for not getting the vaccine.
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Godwin's law, short for Godwin's law (or rule) of Nazi analogies, is an Internet adage asserting that as an online discussion grows longer (regardless of topic or scope), the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Adolf Hitler approaches 1. In less mathematical terms, the longer the discussion, the more likely a Nazi comparison becomes, and with long enough discussions, it is a certainty.
Promulgated by the American attorney and author Mike Godwin in 1990, Godwin's law originally referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions. He stated that he introduced Godwin's law in 1990 as an experiment in memetics. It is now applied to any threaded online discussion, such as Internet forums, chat rooms, and comment threads, as well as to speeches, articles, and other rhetoric where reductio ad Hitlerum occurs.
In 2012, "Godwin's law" became an entry in the third edition of the Oxford English Dictionary.
Isn't this pandemic a special circumstance, where the vaccine is for the overall good of a society? I asked questions, from many providers and knowledgeable people and weighed the vaccine against getting Covid. I chose, yes I did get to choose, the vaccine. And if I had a job that required it, especially in the health care field, law enforcement, firefighting(yeah right, I would never have been strong enough) I would have gotten it. To protect others against me and myself against the virus.
It would have been nice if your workplace could have made accommodations. I don't know what those would be. Masking?
In time do you think you would get vaccinated? Your reasons for not are?...as you probably would say, none of my business. There are those that thought their immune system was strong but they were struck down. And that is sad.
Just take care out there.
I think this must go under Covid but I thought I was responding to Ken and David.
he has already stated that, but here is that quotealfrandell wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:25 pm ken,
this is great conversation.
we are getting a little beyond personal attacks.
and, i see that you view the vaccine requirement as a very unwelcome and invasive infringement of your rights.
you wish to go on exactly as if covid had not become so prevalent.
any yes, i get the implied threat that domestic terrorists will attack without warning.
one locates the overly liberal person to be harmed, and puts their name on a list for others to do the business.
i am seeing threats and emotional pleas, but no real argument from you.
i wish that you would type out your reasons for refusing the vaccine, and if you also refuse to mask, what are your reasons for that.
please, no emotional stuff, like i am threatening your livelihood and you must strike out.
standing between your children and their safety.
treating you unfairly, because you are a republican?
just type your reasons without attacking anyone else.
Ken believes as I do that medical decisions and treatments are an individual's choice.
No doubt Inslee could have better accommodated the folks who risk their lives, especially during this pandemic, to serve the public in times of medical,accident or fire emergencies.
There is no need for a few to continue to disrespect these folks on the internet.
Alf, here are some definitions for the word liberal. Choose the words that you think apply to you.
willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.
relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.
free and easy
a supporter of policies that are socially progressive and promote social welfare.
a supporter of a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.
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+1 for the win. Thank you.
All Biden has to do ("all") to be a great president is bring the pandemic under control and preferably bring it to an end. The evidence is the "vaccine mandates" will likely do that. He did do a good job on organizing the vaccine rollout last spring, and a lot of us here got the jab because of his efforts.
I can understand (well, for generous values of "understand") how if you thought the vaccine had microchips or tentacle creatures in it that wouldn't be a positive. But you can't make everybody happy and I for one am all for prioritizing making normal people happy.
That's like saying, "You don't like having cancer? Tell me one good thing good about getting ebola."
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