To all Trump bashers...Tell me one thing Biden has done great?

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As expected, your infantile echo chamber of ignorance cannot handle the Durham FACTS, please don't breed or vote!

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Well, he hasn't gone golfing...but seriously, the accomplishments are pretty easy to relate:

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-bigg ... nt-1670763

and the article came out last month so it doesn't include the huge jump in employment stats
https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/04/economy/ ... index.html

And even the Salt Lake Tribune from bright red Utah is applauding
https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/letters/ ... icans-are/

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I hold Obama and Biden both responsible as for this attack and torture that occurred to me at the Mann-Grandstaff Spokane VA under their administration. They won't acknowledge it happened let alone give me the simple apology I requested.

tristanbgilb wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:18 pm

For my Christian faith, cannabis is the cornerstone of my prayer. Created by my God, and bearing seed that is viable, I must concur that not allowing for religious medical use is a crime against humanity. I suffered from this crime at the VA Hospital in Spokane, WA as security and nurses tormented and beat me down forcefully injecting me with Haldol causing me to go into a seizure. While chemically restrained with a torn mouth from personnel needing to forcefully open my jaw and get my tongue out of my throat, my cannabis in my pocket was taken from me and never returned. I went months with no medicine and lacking an ability to meditate and commune with my God. Cannabis Rights must be restored in this Nation so Veterans like myself can seek medical treatment in VA Facilities and remain medicated with cannabis. I have often pleaded for anything even a synthetic like Marinol in order to bear the pains of life without my sacrament. For this, you have the ability to move forward with Medical Cannabis to be used for VA Treatments. I am not necessarily saying raw flowers like so many enjoy. I need to grow them myself to stay in good graces with my lord. I need pharmaceutical grade hemp oils in capsules to alleviate the pains of my cervical spine degeneration. Thank you for your time.

I went to primary care recently in Wenatchee VA. There was no pressure for injections. I simply told her that if she wants me to get it she could get security to beat me up inject me with poison again as I am strapped down and helpless.

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PAL wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:20 pm ... But is requiring the vaccine quite the same thing? When it is considered good for society as a whole. I guess I considered it my patriotic duty to take it.
There is literally over a century of legal and medical discussions on that very topic in the United States and for that matter the rest of the world.

Consider Jacobsen v. Massachusetts (1905): https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/197/11/
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The liberty secured by the Constitution of the United States does not import an absolute right in each person to be at all times, and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint, nor is it an element in such liberty that one person, or a minority of persons residing in any community and enjoying the benefits of its local government, should have power to dominate the majority when supported in their action by the authority of the State.

It is within the police power of a State to enact a compulsory vaccination law, and it is for the legislature, and not for the courts, to determine
in the first instance whether vaccination is or is not the best mode for the prevention of smallpox and the protection of the public health.
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That is a Supreme Court decision that hasn't been overturned and seems to settle any legal or constitutional issues on compulsory vaccinations.

Also, if you consider the laws and procedures with respect to tuberculosis in Washington State, ( https://www.doh.wa.gov/portals/1/docume ... manual.pdf ) it also makes it pretty clear that the state can make you take a medication or indefinitely detain you whether you want to or not. Similar laws are on the books in nearly all other states.

It seems to me a no-brainer if such measures are legally permissible that requiring vaccination as a condition of attending school, having a certain job, or patronizing a business that requires vaccination should also be legally permissible.

So any individual rights to bodily autonomy come a distant second to ensuring that other people aren't being infected.
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PAL wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:20 pm I get body autonomy, being a woman. My body, my choice. But is requiring the vaccine quite the same thing? When it is considered good for society as a whole. I guess I considered it my patriotic duty to take it.
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For What It's Worth, here is an Article on vaccination obligation in the US that explodes the question you ask.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5498765/

Quote from that Article


"All states allow vaccination exemptions for medical reasons, additionally until 2015, almost all states allowed vaccine exemptions based on religious or philosophical grounds [7,8]. The increase in the number of parents refusing to vaccinate their children resulted in 20% of children not receiving the recommended vaccines for medical and non-medical reasons. The California Department of Public Health (DPH) revealed that, in California, the number of vaccination refusals has doubled since 2007 [9]. What is more, recent years proved that the outbreaks of diseases considered to be ‘defeated’ are beginning to re-occur [10,11]. It has been proven that many populations have a decreased herd immunity, which in the United States was the reason for an outbreak of measles in California (Disneyland measles). This in turn forced the implementation of more rigorous laws mandating vaccinations [12,13]. Since the beginning of 2015, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta registered 127 cases of infection associated with the outbreak of this epidemic. In 2014, California became much more restrictive concerning personal exemptions, requiring parents seeking such exemptions to obtain a certificate from the doctor that they were informed on the diseases that could be prevented using vaccinations. Soon afterwards, this solution proved insufficient. In April 2015, California’s legislature proposed removing personal beliefs (religious, philosophical) as reasons for refusing vaccinations, which in turn initiated a public, wide-range debate on the limitations of freedoms and rights granted to an individual [13]. Additionally, in June 2015, Bill SB 277 was passed, markedly narrowing the exceptions relating to the possibility of refusing vaccinations of children. California became the third state, after West Virginia and Mississippi to prohibit exemptions from immunization based on religious and/or philosophical beliefs. In respecting autonomy, the introduced law forbids admitting children to private and public nurseries and primary and secondary schools (and other public social institutions) without being vaccinated according to the established vaccination schedule. This does not pertain to children who have a medical exemption or those who have home schooling [13]. Such a solution, put into practice, limits the availability of public and private education, simultaneously leaving parents with the freedom of choice (home schooling), however, it may also lead to practices aimed at obtaining the medical exemption from vaccinations [13]. Critics postulate a referendum where the public would comment on this issue"

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Forgive my stupidity. I am not good with acronyms. FWIW, I could spend hours or maybe I should google what that stands for. And I guess I missed Ken's reasons.
That Godwin's law is something to think about. And it does seem that many discussions end up talking about Covid. There is not one conversation I have had when talking with people, albeit limited, that we don't end up talking or mentioning Covid.
Into the woods, no talking about it.
I get body autonomy, being a woman. My body, my choice. But is requiring the vaccine quite the same thing? When it is considered good for society as a whole. I guess I considered it my patriotic duty to take it.
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I did just google FWIW and wow pages of how it is used, why, where. I now have a PH.d in FWIW.
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mister_coffee wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 5:23 pm I think Godwin's law has to be extended for the pandemic: any thread that is sufficiently long will eventually be an argument about COVID-19.

Isn't Godwins law itself a paradox (logically self contradictory statement) because the law itself brings up the subject of Nazi's every time its quoted online?
PAL wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 4:38 pm YOU Ken may well be perfectly strong and fit to weather Covid, but what about those that you may infect, that are not as strong or may not have as strong as immune system as you? What about them? Have you thought about that?
Also lets not forget that the vaccinated can infect the vulnerable although at a reduced risk. I agree, Ken could have been accommodated to reduce his risk of catching the virus, which FF have been doing anyway, and transmitting the virus. Masking, Testing, and possibly duty away from the public (social distancing).


From the CDC

Can you get COVID-19 after being vaccinated?

"Vaccinated people can still become infected and have the potential spread the virus to others, although at much lower rates than unvaccinated people. The risks of SARS-CoV-2 infection in fully vaccinated people are higher where community transmission of the virus is widespread."

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 0htxKqtbiu
PAL wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 4:38 pm It sounds like you may be more against the mandate itself, the fact that it mandates against your choice.
FWIW, Ken has stated his reasons for not getting the vaccine.
dorankj wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:15 am I How does that answer how you would respond if your entire income over a 20+ year professional career was suddenly being yanked because you wish to honor basic rights of body autonomy and individual choice?

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I think Godwin's law has to be extended for the pandemic: any thread that is sufficiently long will eventually be an argument about COVID-19.

Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
Godwin's law, short for Godwin's law (or rule) of Nazi analogies,[1][2] is an Internet adage asserting that as an online discussion grows longer (regardless of topic or scope), the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Adolf Hitler approaches 1.[2][3] In less mathematical terms, the longer the discussion, the more likely a Nazi comparison becomes, and with long enough discussions, it is a certainty.

Promulgated by the American attorney and author Mike Godwin in 1990,[2] Godwin's law originally referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions.[4] He stated that he introduced Godwin's law in 1990 as an experiment in memetics.[2] It is now applied to any threaded online discussion, such as Internet forums, chat rooms, and comment threads, as well as to speeches, articles, and other rhetoric[5][6] where reductio ad Hitlerum occurs.

In 2012, "Godwin's law" became an entry in the third edition of the Oxford English Dictionary.[7]
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YOU Ken may well be perfectly strong and fit to weather Covid, but what about those that you may infect, that are not as strong or may not have as strong as immune system as you? What about them? Have you thought about that? It sounds like you may be more against the mandate itself, the fact that it mandates against your choice.
Isn't this pandemic a special circumstance, where the vaccine is for the overall good of a society? I asked questions, from many providers and knowledgeable people and weighed the vaccine against getting Covid. I chose, yes I did get to choose, the vaccine. And if I had a job that required it, especially in the health care field, law enforcement, firefighting(yeah right, I would never have been strong enough) I would have gotten it. To protect others against me and myself against the virus.
It would have been nice if your workplace could have made accommodations. I don't know what those would be. Masking?
In time do you think you would get vaccinated? Your reasons for not are?...as you probably would say, none of my business. There are those that thought their immune system was strong but they were struck down. And that is sad.
Just take care out there.
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I think this must go under Covid but I thought I was responding to Ken and David.
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Well Ken, it appears some folks disagree with you.
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Yes, the arm IS perfectly healthy that’s why it would be ridiculous to cut it off because some day it might possibly hit me and that strike might possibly kill me. That’s about as likely as me getting COVID, dying from COVID and or killing others with it. I too am perfectly healthy and even if I’ve had or get COVID will, based on extensive study and common sense will survive quite well with good (maybe superior) natural immunity setting me up for a future variant. Firing me for simply wanting to follow that process is egregious and completely unnecessary.
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It seems Ken is using a straw man argument. Nobody is asking anyone to cut their arm off or their children's arms off. Nobody is asking to take all of anyone's money. Those things just aren't happening.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
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alfrandell wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:25 pm ken,
this is great conversation.
we are getting a little beyond personal attacks.
and, i see that you view the vaccine requirement as a very unwelcome and invasive infringement of your rights.
you wish to go on exactly as if covid had not become so prevalent.
any yes, i get the implied threat that domestic terrorists will attack without warning.
one locates the overly liberal person to be harmed, and puts their name on a list for others to do the business.
i am seeing threats and emotional pleas, but no real argument from you.
i wish that you would type out your reasons for refusing the vaccine, and if you also refuse to mask, what are your reasons for that.
please, no emotional stuff, like i am threatening your livelihood and you must strike out.
standing between your children and their safety.
treating you unfairly, because you are a republican?
hardly sir!
just type your reasons without attacking anyone else.
he has already stated that, but here is that quote
dorankj wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:15 am I How does that answer how you would respond if your entire income over a 20+ year professional career was suddenly being yanked because you wish to honor basic rights of body autonomy and individual choice?
Ken believes as I do that medical decisions and treatments are an individual's choice.

No doubt Inslee could have better accommodated the folks who risk their lives, especially during this pandemic, to serve the public in times of medical,accident or fire emergencies.

There is no need for a few to continue to disrespect these folks on the internet.

Alf, here are some definitions for the word liberal. Choose the words that you think apply to you.

adjective
1.
willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.
2.
relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.
Similar:
tolerant
unprejudiced
unbigoted
broad-minded
open-minded
enlightened
forbearing
permissive
free
free and easy
easygoing
laissez-faire
libertarian
latitudinarian
unbiased
impartial
nonpartisan
indulgent
lenient
lax
soft
Opposite:
narrow-minded
bigoted
noun
1.
a supporter of policies that are socially progressive and promote social welfare.
2.
a supporter of a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.

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It would be just as reasonable as your arguments for me to insist you cut your arm off because I’m concerned it might someday hit me and kill me. Come on, just do it, I think it’s best for MY safety and if you won’t I will get the government to take all your money everything you have and your ability to make money and survive going forward! Quite the choice there, isn’t it? And the latest issue, I’m going to demand we cut the arm off your children for the same reasoning. You really need to think through what you are supporting and demanding, I’m saying things publicly and you really know where I’m coming from. Others, especially parents protecting their children will give you no such insight or forewarning!
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Come say to my face I’m not a great firefighter, come see what I do at my job every shift and tell me I’m not a great firefighter, come find out what I’ve done for 30 years (24 professionally) and this last 18 months specific to this pandemic and tell me I’m not a great firefighter! You are a coward and an idiot and know nothing about what you speak, I seek and have never sought adulation or fanfare but I AM good at my job and have saved 1000’s of people. I do so willingly and without perfect protection for myself, I only ask to continue the work I’ve put my heart, soul and body into. Otherwise Alf, KMA jerk! Let’s go Brandon.
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Off topic Alf! The management of this BB has stated that all comments need to fit the title of the post. The question is what has Jimmy Obiden done great, please stay on topic. And “let’s go Brandon!”
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Mickey M. wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:45 pm
Italian_Helicoptor wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:32 pm hrrrr, hrrrr, hrrrr, hrrrr
He beat Trump in the election. That's all Biden needed to do.
+1 for the win. Thank you.
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I'm sorry, but January 6th taught us that Trump and his supporters are terrorists. They are the moral equivalent of Hamas and Hezbollah, with the exception that Hamas and Hezbollah actually do things of public merit like run schools and hospitals as well as murder people.

All Biden has to do ("all") to be a great president is bring the pandemic under control and preferably bring it to an end. The evidence is the "vaccine mandates" will likely do that. He did do a good job on organizing the vaccine rollout last spring, and a lot of us here got the jab because of his efforts.
I can understand (well, for generous values of "understand") how if you thought the vaccine had microchips or tentacle creatures in it that wouldn't be a positive. But you can't make everybody happy and I for one am all for prioritizing making normal people happy.
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They do both suck... Trumpism hate and division is just more damaging to the country.
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This is a nonsensical argument. You can't prove a positive case by disproving another. It's possible to think they both suck.

That's like saying, "You don't like having cancer? Tell me one good thing good about getting ebola."
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