Can you mandate a vaccine? Has this ever been done?

[mister_coffee]

One thing to keep in mind is that the intellectual property framework around something like mRNA vaccines is likely very complex, with hundreds to thousands of patents and trade secrets held by different entities. That is the nature of invention and discovery in the 21st century.

From a practical standpoint that means you need the cooperation of many different parties to open source any bleeding-edge technology in whole.

At the same time there is an almost-invisible nanotechnology arms race going on right now. When that whale jumps out of the water it is going to make a big and messy splash. So even if all of the entities were okay with open-sourcing their patents and trade secrets for the good of humanity (and they most certainly are not) I am sure there are a lot of paranoid wonks in the military-industrial complex who will also freak out about it as well.

Fun fact: your smart phone is covered by over 300,000 patents.

[mister_coffee]

The difference Alf is the polio vaccine took decades of testing and development before it was mandated AND it actually stopped polio!

No. Just no.

The Salk vaccine was developed in 1952 and went into large-scale distribution to children in 1955. In no way are decades of testing and development possible between 1952 and 1955.

[Fun CH]

This one isn’t working nearly so well and is causing some very concerning issues. Also, this disease is largely only affecting older people with one or more issues (obesity and 1 or more co-morbidities) This also doesn’t have the long-term safety data yet!

supporting facts please.

Polio affects children more than adults and still our country had the wisdom to mandate a vaccine in order to protect the vulnerable.

[dorankj]

This one isn’t working nearly so well and is causing some very concerning issues. Also, this disease is largely only affecting older people with one or more issues (obesity and 1 or more co-morbidities) This also doesn’t have the long-term safety data yet!

[Fun CH]

Also, breakthrough cases can occur with other vaccines.


"Even the measles vaccine,
which is incredibly effective, fails to protect about 3 percent of vaccinated individuals who are exposed to the virus. Jonas Salk's polio vaccine—hailed a medical miracle—was 80 percent to 90 percent effective at preventing paralysis caused by the polio virus. Breakthrough infections of flu are even more common. While the exact effectiveness of the flu vaccine fluctuates year-to-year, it ranges between 40 percent and 60 percent.

Measles and polio breakthrough infections aren't just rare because the vaccines are so effective but also because those who are vaccinated rarely interact with infected people. Even with highly effective vaccines for Covid-19, breakthrough infections are likely to keep happening because the virus is so widespread."

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science- ... 180978408/

[Fun CH]

The difference Alf is the polio vaccine took decades of testing and development before it was mandated AND it actually stopped polio!

the vaccine stopped polio in this county because most everyone is vaccinated.
That hasn't happened with the Covid vaccine because a large number of people are not vaccinated. The novel Coronavirus still has willing hosts.

And polio still occurs in other parts of the World and would occur here if vaccines were stopped.

Last sentence of the article below.

"The best way to get rid of polio for good across the world is to make sure people are immunized."

Here's another quote that may seem a familiar argument for refusing the covid vaccine.

"Most people who catch the poliovirus don't have symptoms"

https://www.webmd.com/children/what-is-polio




By Stephanie Booth
Medically Reviewed by Hansa D. Bhargava, MD on June 26, 2020
What Is Polio?
Polio is a life-threatening disease caused by a virus. It was once one of the most feared diseases in the United States, but the creation of a vaccine in the 1950s ended the threat. The U.S. is now polio-free, though travelers can still bring it into this country.

Polio is short for "poliomyelitis." It's a virus that spreads easily between people who aren't vaccinated. In its most severe form, it can attack your spinal cord and brain and cause paralysis.

People of any age can get polio, but kids under 5 have the highest risk of getting it.

Polio Symptoms
Most people who catch the poliovirus don't have symptoms. About 1 in 4 people will have symptoms that look a lot like the flu, such as:

Sore throat
Feeling tired
Upset stomach
Fever
Headache
Back or neck pain or stiffness
Muscle weakness
Stomach pain
Vomiting
"Nonparalytic polio" symptoms like these often don't cause you to become paralyzed. They usually go away on their own within 10 days.

A smaller number of people have a more severe kind of polio that's called "paralytic polio." If you have it, your symptoms will start off like the mild ones above. Within a week, you'll also start to have:

A loss of reflexes
Severe muscle pain or weakness
Floppy limbs
A feeling of pins and needles in your legs
Paralyzed arms, legs, or both
Meningitis (an infection in your brain, spinal cord, or both)
Polio can be life-threatening if the muscles you use to breathe get so weak that they no longer work.

Years after you have polio, you may start to have other symptoms. Known as "post-polio syndrome," you could have:

Problems with breathing and swallowing
Muscle loss
Sleep disorders like sleep apnea
Trouble handling low temperatures
Polio is different from acute flaccid myelitis (AFM), a rare but serious condition that also attacks the nervous system and causes your muscles to weaken. Some people call AFM a "polio-like" illness, but it is not the same virus.

Polio Causes and Risk Factors
You get polio from a virus. You have to come in direct contact with the virus to get it. This can be person-to-person contact, or through contact with an object that has the virus on it. When you have the virus, it lives in your throat and intestines.

Transmission

The virus gets inside you through your mouth. You might get it by:

Contact with feces from a person with polio. This can include putting an object that has feces on it in your mouth or getting feces on your hand and putting your hand in your mouth. Water or food that is contaminated with infected feces can also spread polio.
Breathing in droplets from a cough or sneeze of a person with polio. This is a less common way to get polio.
Even if you don’t have symptoms, you can pass on polio to others if it’s in your body.

Although polio mainly affects children under 5, you’re also at high risk if you haven’t had the polio vaccine.

Polio Treatment
If you have polio, your doctor will focus on making sure that you're comfortable and try to prevent any other health issues. Some treatments and tools for support include:

Pain relievers (like ibuprofen)
A ventilator (a device that helps you breathe)
Physical therapy that can help keep your muscles working
Bed rest and fluids for flu-like symptoms
Antispasmodic medications to relax muscles
Antibiotics for urinary tract infections
A heating pad for muscle aches and spasms
Corrective braces
Pulmonary rehabilitation to help with lung complications
A mobility aid such as a cane, wheelchair, or electric scooter
Polio Prevention
There's no cure for polio, but a vaccine allows your body to fight off the virus.

Before the vaccine became available in the 1950s, the virus paralyzed thousands of people each year. By the 1970s, because many people had the vaccine, there were fewer than 10 cases of polio in the U.S.

There are two types of the vaccine:

Inactivated poliovirus vaccine (IPV). You get this as a shot in either your leg or your arm.

Oral poliovirus vaccine (OPV). This is an older form of the vaccine that’s still used around the world.

Today, kids in the U.S. often get four doses of the IPV vaccine, one dose each at ages:

2 months
4 months
Between 6 and 18 months
Between 4 and 6 years
If you're an adult who got the polio vaccine as a child, you should still be immune. The only reason you might need a booster shot is if you plan to travel to a country where polio is still common or you spend time with someone who has polio.

If you didn't have all your vaccines or are unsure, your doctor can give them to you. You'll get two shots that are 4 to 8 weeks apart, and then a third shot 6 months to a year later.

While most of the world is also polio-free, three countries -- Afghanistan, Nigeria, and Pakistan -- have not fully stopped outbreaks of the virus.

Some people can have an allergic reaction to the vaccine. Usually you’ll see any symptoms of an allergy within a few minutes to a few hours after you get it. To tell if you have an allergy to the polio vaccine, watch for:

A hard time breathing
Weakness
Hoarseness or wheezing
A rapid heart rate
Hives
Dizziness
Call your doctor right away if you have any of these signs.

Polio Outlook
Since 1988, the number of cases of polio in the world has gone down by 99%. The U.S. hasn’t had a case of polio since 1979. In 2018, sources reported only 33 cases worldwide. But while many countries are polio-free, some still actively have it. And anyone who comes into contact with the virus who hasn’t been vaccinated can get it. The best way to get rid of polio for good across the world is to make sure people are immunized."

[dorankj]

The difference Alf is the polio vaccine took decades of testing and development before it was mandated AND it actually stopped polio!