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Ray carry on with your penis fetish
Chris…. No fetish here…. Just keep penises out of designated women’s bathrooms…. Pure and simple…

I got a note about you Chris from another member about all your posts….

“Chris is amusing himself - what he does is a form of masturbation, though he might argue that.”

At 908 posts on a BB you don’t like, I am starting to believe him…
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Chris I am glad you are spending your time uselessly tracking what I comment on and what I don't and making Judgements about what I do.
And labeling, "Not a liberal, my mistake". Judging again.
We have to pick and choose what is important to us to talk about. I choose not to enter into the discussion about gender identity.
I will say, perhaps there should be a separate bathroom for transgender men as well as women. If a transgender male goes into a men's bathroom, he might be harrassed by guys. Enter into a woman's bathroom and the women might be uncomfortable, especially young girls. They may feel intimidated.
Women are brought up to be guardful when it comes to penises. We are wary going to our cars at night. We are aware when alone in the woods of a male presence.
I was separated from Howard in Bryce Canyon where i could not see him. He was not far away, but 2 males were approachng and I got a vibe off of them. They had a look on their face. I quickly moved to where Howard was.
You have no idea what many women have to do to protect themselves. You don't need to say that is sad that I have to be that way. Many other women are in the same boat. Especially in a city. Always looking around for possible confrontation.
Chances are a transgender man is not going to attack a person. But we just don't know.
Of course we have unisex bathrooms where there is only one door and one toilet, so that would be the best solution. Like at Hanks.
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"You have to act as if it were possible to radically transform the world. And you have to do it all the time.”

- Angela Davis"
pasayten wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:49 am I think Chris is addicted to try and change the world to fit his opinions and beliefs... No matter how warped they are... Kind of a verbal meth head... 906 posts to a BB he doesn't "like"...
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No Pearl no you're not violating someone's copyright when you post a link or even post a short quote with commentary. It is interesting how you have time blow a gasket and not speak out against Rays hate fest. So not a liberal I guess. My mistake.

Jim a prescriptive easement has to be continuous use. That trail does not see use everyday of the Year by the public. Washington State now generally sides with the rights of the property owner anyway. The feds could use the powers of eminent domain however to seize private property for public use.

Ray carry on with your penis fetish, I see you've posted more anti-trans material. BTW, my snowmobile is a 4 stroke, clean and quiet.

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We can always depend on Chris to start obfuscating a thread... lol
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Weird - this has turned into a South Creek Trail thread, rather than a Paul Harvey one (I always thought Paul was probably someone I wouldn’t like…….but that’s another story.)

I’m puzzled about the whole South Creek saga. I know quite a bit about the situation. And I know the family and the individual players. Here’s what I don’t understand at all. In my experience, the USFS had an avenue, available to them that they could’ve used;

The FS does have a ‘prescriptive right’ across this piece of private land, based on what would be 80 or 100 years of public use, maintenance, signage etc.

Although rare, the claim of ‘prescriptive easement’ by a public land manager is not unknown. I’m aware of of a couple of other cases where the Federal Gov’t asserted such a right, successfully. Although, these were long long ago and weren’t in WA State. I suspect that either the current FS powers a) didnt want to open that Pandora’s box, b) got advice that a case in WA would have been weak or c) just didnt want a public food fight with a local family.

Interesting, for sure. At this juncture….a trail re-reroute is probably the best option.
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MVN has an article in this weeks paper about South Cr. They don't say exactly what the impasse is. Seems to want a commercial campground and a resort and the FS has maintained that is not allowed. And originally wanted ATV access.
Well, read the article to know the facts.
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I think Chris is addicted to try and change the world to fit his opinions and beliefs... No matter how warped they are... Kind of a verbal meth head... 906 posts to a BB he doesn't "like"...

He really should have his own BB, but may not have the expertise to do it... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

P.S. I am upset with Jack also...

I am also upset with back country skier purests that think it is environmentally OK to use noisy polluting snowmobiles in a Class 1 Airshed to get closer to their desired ski areas... They should obviously snowshoe!!!... Now this is what a a troll is... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Jack is the guy who has property up South Cr. and doesn't want anyone crossing it to get on up to the Pass. This has been going on for about 3 yrs. now.
And sure, many of us were quite upset that Jack was barring people from crossing his property. So Chris likes to argue like he does, dredging up the past. That type of arguing is ineffective. Here's an article. Oops, I am breaking copyright laws probably.

https://www.aconsciousrethink.com/16206 ... arguments/
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I knew it! I knew you would bring up Jack into the disagreement. You don't even know what is going on with that even though I told you. I wasn't the only one "attacking" him. We were concerned about that trail, as are the tribes and the backcountry horse people.
You think what I said to you is blowing a gasket? Ha Ha. I am ok with whatever is posted on this BB. This is tame compared to other sites, like Facebook, etc.
I'm not going to comment on every subject that comes up. Who has time? You obviously do. Why aren't you out hiking or biking? Instead of making it your goal to correct all that is wrong with this BB?
You think I and everyone else needs to correct our behavior according to your standards.
I really don't have any control over how my art might be used when it comes to social media. I am not going to go searching sites to see if my work has been used illegitimately or wrongly. Again, who has time or wants to use their time in that manner.
But what kind of life are you living? Why do you frequent this BB? Are you lonesome?
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Who is Jack? I must have missed something...

...strange definition of "attack"...

...and Ken is a big boy and can stand up for himself... doesn't need the local BB pharisee to help...
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PAL wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:22 pm Just your opinnon dude. Yeah, Ray's BB is hurting our community according to you.
I still think you should report violators if it bothers you so much.
I think your very public attack on Jack hurts our community simply because Jack has private rights that are really none of anyone's business unless he's violating the law which he isn't.

Rays attack on the trans community hurts people. A guy who thinks nothing of allegedly ripping off other people's work to provide content for his site. And are you okay the way Ray trolls his membership like the way he characterizes one of our Local Heroes, Ken?

But you are silent on those issues. Why?

Would you enjoy your photos copied and posted on the internet say to support anti trans literature? Do you think that artist has a right to say how their work should is used?

Please take sometime to think about what I said and don't blow a gasket with another one of your personal attacks.

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Fun CH wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:48 am I would encourage that no one reply to Ray's rip off content. It only seems to encourage more of the same.
LOL dude... You have 905 posts now on this terrible BB... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Just your opinnon dude. Yeah, Ray's BB is hurting our community according to you.
I still think you should report violators if it bothers you so much.
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I would encourage that no one reply to Ray's rip off content. It only seems to encourage more of the same.
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I grew up listening to Paul Harvey with my family but I was too young to remember anything like the 1964 version. Wow. Pretty impressive.
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1996 version of the 1964 original
PAUL HARVEY’S ‘IF I WERE THE DEVIL’ TRANSCRIPT


If I were the devil … If I were the Prince of Darkness, I’d want to engulf the whole world in darkness. And I’d have a third of it’s real estate, and four-fifths of its population, but I wouldn’t be happy until I had seized the ripest apple on the tree — Thee. So I’d set about however necessary to take over the United States. I’d subvert the churches first — I’d begin with a campaign of whispers. With the wisdom of a serpent, I would whisper to you as I whispered to Eve: ‘Do as you please.’

“To the young, I would whisper that ‘The Bible is a myth.’ I would convince them that man created God instead of the other way around. I would confide that what’s bad is good, and what’s good is ‘square.’ And the old, I would teach to pray, after me, ‘Our Father, which art in Washington…’

“And then I’d get organized. I’d educate authors in how to make lurid literature exciting, so that anything else would appear dull and uninteresting. I’d threaten TV with dirtier movies and vice versa. I’d pedal narcotics to whom I could. I’d sell alcohol to ladies and gentlemen of distinction. I’d tranquilize the rest with pills.

“If I were the devil I’d soon have families that war with themselves, churches at war with themselves, and nations at war with themselves; until each in its turn was consumed. And with promises of higher ratings I’d have mesmerizing media fanning the flames. If I were the devil I would encourage schools to refine young intellects, but neglect to discipline emotions — just let those run wild, until before you knew it, you’d have to have drug sniffing dogs and metal detectors at every schoolhouse door.

“Within a decade I’d have prisons overflowing, I’d have judges promoting pornography — soon I could evict God from the courthouse, then from the schoolhouse, and then from the houses of Congress. And in His own churches I would substitute psychology for religion, and deify science. I would lure priests and pastors into misusing boys and girls, and church money. If I were the devil I’d make the symbols of Easter an egg and the symbol of Christmas a bottle.

“If I were the devil I’d take from those who have, and give to those who wanted until I had killed the incentive of the ambitious. And what do you bet? I couldn’t get whole states to promote gambling as thee way to get rich? I would caution against extremes and hard work, in Patriotism, in moral conduct. I would convince the young that marriage is old-fashioned, that swinging is more fun, that what you see on TV is the way to be. And thus I could undress you in public, and I could lure you into bed with diseases for which there is no cure. In other words, if I were the devil I’d just keep right on doing on what he’s doing. Paul Harvey, good day.”

Original 1964 version...
If I Were the Devil

If I were the Prince of Darkness I would want to engulf the whole earth in darkness.

I'd have a third of its real estate and four-fifths of its population, but I would not be happy until I had seized the ripest apple on the tree.

So I should set about however necessary, to take over the United States.

I would begin with a campaign of whispers.

With the wisdom of a serpent, I would whispers to you as I whispered to Eve, "Do as you please."

To the young I would whisper "The Bible is a myth." I would convince them that "man created God," instead of the other way around. I would confide that "what is bad is good and what is good is square."

In the ears of the young married I would whisper that work is debasing, that cocktail parties are good for you. I would caution them not to be "extreme" in religion, in patriotism, in moral conduct.

And the old I would teach to pray — to say after me — "Our father which are in Washington."

Then I'd get organized.

I'd educate authors in how to make lurid literature exciting so that anything else would appear dull, uninteresting.

I'd threaten TV with dirtier movies, and vice-versa.

I'd infiltrate unions and urge more loafing, less work. Idle hands usually work for me.

I'd peddle narcotics to whom I could, I'd sell alcohol to ladies and gentlemen of distinction, I'd tranquilize the rest with pills.

If I were the Devil, I would encourage schools to refine young intellects, but neglect to discipline emotions; let those run wild.

I'd designate an atheist to front for me before the highest courts and I'd get preachers to say, "She's right."

With flattery and promises of power I would get the courts to vote against God and in favor of pornography.

Thus I would evict God from the courthouse, then from the schoolhouse, then from the Houses of Congress.

Then in his own churches I'd substitute psychology for religion and deify science.

If I were Satan I'd make the symbol of Easter an egg

And the symbol of Christmas a bottle.

If I were the Devil I'd take from those who have and give to those who wanted until I had killed the incentive of the ambitious. Then my police state would force everybody back to work.

Then I would separate families, putting children in uniform, women in coal mines and objectors in slave-labor camps.

If I were Satan I'd just keep doing what I'm doing and the whole world go to hell as sure as the Devil.
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